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    abesut's Avatar
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    Rau Quby
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Malix View Post
    in the worst case pets account the amount of auto attack damage melee classes do. Calling their dmg worthless is like calling your DoTs worthless.
    Garuda is like a 100 potency dot with an hp bar. That's pretty much it. And she happens to die a lot in endgame, even in metagame dungeons against certain bosses, do I have to mention the Doom-casting minotaur?
    Can't really call that being a summoner. They even took the lazy route of just reskinning carbuncle and slapping an additional 10-15 potency to the attacks/spells. Garuda is only really worthwhile in terms of dmg when you have buffed her up with Rouse and Spur >_>
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    Malix Farwin
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by abesut View Post
    Garuda is like a 100 potency dot with an hp bar. That's pretty much it. And she happens to die a lot in endgame, even in metagame dungeons against certain bosses, do I have to mention the Doom-casting minotaur?
    Can't really call that being a summoner. They even took the lazy route of just reskinning carbuncle and slapping an additional 10-15 potency to the attacks/spells. Garuda is only really worthwhile in terms of dmg when you have buffed her up with Rouse and Spur >_>
    My garuda-egi never dies even in intensive fights like titan HM and doom-casting minotaur is a 30ish dungeon so i dont even know why you even brought that up but w/e. Like i said saying garuda-egi is not worth while is saying your DoTs are not worthwhile. literally everything u said is wrong.
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    Gaius Valerius
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    Adamantoise
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    The pets have been the main thing I've been complaining about and how weak they are. Their dmg right now is much less then ours. Much less. I want my pets to do more dmg. I don't mind my personal dmg being lower. I just want stronger pets damnit
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    Snuggles Unicorn
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    For what it's worth, I've been running a parser recently on my SMN. While I can almost keep up with DRG/BLM (as in, around 10% less), I still get blown away by BRDs (they do around 50% more damage in an average fight). Of course, that's if everything goes right. Pet dies, you have to move around too much, etc? Your DPS falls off a cliff.

    Some major issues:
    • Smashing your hotkey for Contagion? Only if Garuda feels like casting it.
    • Your dots all have different duration's, meaning any type of established "I can apply them all, then have 3 GCD's free until reapplying" is nearly impossible.
    • The UI likes to scatter your debuffs around a mobs healthbar, and God help you if you have a SCH doting or another SMN. Better start memorizing those durations and keeping track in your head!
    • Rouse and Spur refuse to cast half the time thanks to the animation lag. Can't go on GCD while trying to cast them either.

    DPS is decidedly subpar. Go SCH in Cleric Stance.
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    Kevee's Avatar
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    Virtual On
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainsford View Post
    snip.

    Read before posting.

    -Parser means nothing. Can't/Doesn't properly log DoTs.
    -Garuda can only use it if it isn't in the animation of another attack. Just like all skills, it has it's own animation.
    -Yes and no, it depends on the fight and invulnerability/add phases.
    -This needs to be addressed.
    -Rouse and Spur, just like any other off-GCD skill, are bound by animation. Just like all skills, they are bound by animation. There's no "animation lag." It's an intended function. just wait ~.5-1s after using an instant ability and you can use an off-GCD skill during the GCD.

    -No real way to test DPS.
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    Snuggles Unicorn
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    If you wait to use your buffs until Fester is off CD, you're wasting time. And it just gets back to the fact that having to idle your SMN while you wait for Rouse, Spur and Contagion to cast is all time where a BRD is keeping up full DPS.

    And the parser does a real good job at accounting for DoTs. Tested it by adding up Bio damage by seeing what numbers popped up and then comparing to what the Parser gave me. Numbers are never more than 1-2% off. That difference does not account for doing 90% of DRG/MNK damage and 50-60% of BRD.

    Keep in mind that, as average gear level increases, every class will see the same benefit, while SMNs pets, which account for 20%~ of damage, won't. The DPS gap will only widen over time.
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    Malix Farwin
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainsford View Post
    If you wait to use your buffs until Fester is off CD, you're wasting time. And it just gets back to the fact that having to idle your SMN while you wait for Rouse, Spur and Contagion to cast is all time where a BRD is keeping up full DPS.

    And the parser does a real good job at accounting for DoTs. Tested it by adding up Bio damage by seeing what numbers popped up and then comparing to what the Parser gave me. Numbers are never more than 1-2% off. That difference does not account for doing 90% of DRG/MNK damage and 50-60% of BRD.

    Keep in mind that, as average gear level increases, every class will see the same benefit, while SMNs pets, which account for 20%~ of damage, won't. The DPS gap will only widen over time.
    Do this test. Apply Bio to a target, look and see if it is ticking the damage or adding a simulated full duration damage. if it is the later than theres your problem. i dont know what u are using but they show miasma and not bio or bio 2. Also, ive mentioned this before but ill dumb it down either further. Cast a spell on a mob and look at the battle log, notice how instead of saying X character did x damage to target it says the target takes x amount of damage. In a group environment that data can be mistakenly placed somewhere else. For example lets say your damage from fester post at the same time as a sch. ruin, there is a chance that he could get credit for that damage towards his ruin as oppose to it properly parsing fester. This is why people need to research how parses work before they try to pass it off as factual evidence.
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    Last edited by Malix; 09-08-2013 at 11:34 AM.

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    Karnage720's Avatar
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    Karnage Dragorian
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Im new to ffxiv, played smn ffxi. For the life of me, i cant figure out what GCD is. Anyone care to elaborate.
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    King Berry
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Karnage720 View Post
    Im new to ffxiv, played smn ffxi. For the life of me, i cant figure out what GCD is. Anyone care to elaborate.
    GCD is to make things easier for players that can't handle fast paced action battle with short reaction time and reflects. That why this game went toward WoW players because they would cry and rage if this was 1.23 or XI.
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    Karnage Dragorian
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingBerry View Post
    GCD is to make things easier for players that can't handle fast paced action battle with short reaction time and reflects. That why this game went toward WoW players because they would cry and rage if this was 1.23 or XI.
    Hmm...what exactly is it tho. I still dont understand lol
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