Fishing in ARR

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

First off, I just want to say it's ridiculous that Yoshi-P seems to believe that fishing is the only thing that RMT will create bots for. RMT will utilize any aspect of the game that gets them the largest amount of money in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of effort. Even in 1.0 fishing was far from the most exploited content by RMT (it was faction leves). However, you don't see the devs reducing gil rewards from guildleves or trying to make faction leves into some sort of pointless achievement grind.

Fishing was already a marginally profitable class, benefiting from small demand niches like GC supply missions or culinarian and alchemy recipes. To say that RMT will take advantage of fishing more than the far more lucrative botany and mining materials is absolute ludicrous.

Frankly I find their excuses insulting.

Fisher is a class where people really want to enjoy roleplay fishing

Lol, what ? Is this a joke ?

Personally, I'm very disappointed in Yoshi-P right now, for a person that seems to have done everything else right, he's seriously dropped the ball when it comes to fishing.

[LlenCoram]

Technically quicksand is a body of water. That's why it's quicksand, because it's sand thinned out with enough water to make you sink into it.

Oh, I know, but... I don't even. I was pretty bitter about Thursday's news. That grew to annoyed anger on friday/weekend. This today has put me squarely into furious (I'm playing the game because it's relaxing Yoshi. I don't need MORE relaxing from an already relaxing pastime!), and now this? Now I'm just confused.

First off, I just want to say it's ridiculous that Yoshi-P seems to believe that fishing is the only thing that RMT will create bots for. RMT will utilize any aspect of the game that gets them the largest amount of money in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of effort. Even in 1.0 fishing was far from the most exploited content by RMT (it was faction leves). However, you don't see the devs reducing gil rewards from guildleves or trying to make faction leves into some sort of pointless achievement grind.

Fishing was already a marginally profitable class, benefiting from small demand niches like GC supply missions or culinarian and alchemy recipes. To say that RMT will take advantage of fishing more than the far more lucrative botany and mining materials is absolute ludicrous.

Frankly I find their excuses insulting.



Lol, what ? Is this a joke ?

Personally, I'm very disappointed in Yoshi-P right now, for a person that seems to have done everything else right, he's seriously dropped the ball when it comes to fishing.

Yeah, I honestly don't know where he got any of his ideas concerning fishing, but I can tell you right now he did not get them from that player poll he had ages ago. He's basically ignored every part of that, or at the least interpreted it completely the wrong way.

[jesseleewelch]

This isn't cool. Fishing in FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 was like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoUUJfKBM6Q

But fishing in FFXIV ARR sounds like its going to be like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InENM6fwIwE

[LlenCoram]

Gamerscape interview with Yoshi-P at E3. http://gamerescape.com/2013/06/17/e3...naoki-yoshida/

Some stuff on Fisher-

GE: It’s been a while since we’ve heard anything about fishing. Can you tell us how it’s going to work and when we will be able to try it?

Yoshida: Fishing will be available starting in phase four of the beta test. Players can check it out then. We mentioned before in a Producer’s Letter live, but the concept that we have for fishing in FFXIV is that we didn’t want to make it action based. We didn’t want actions like a battle class has, or to be pressing buttons at certain times like it was originally. Rather, we want to have players just go to a lake or river or ocean, and have players, depending on what type of water it is and maybe what time of day it is, choose which rod you are going to use, and maybe what bait or lure you are going to use. The concept is that fishing is supposed to be a conversation with nature. We wanted the fishing in fourteen to be representative of that.

We really wanted it to be something you can do in the free time that you have. For example, you go into the duty finder and while waiting in the queue, you can change to fisher and fish a little bit, and when your number comes up, change back and go. Or if you are waiting on a friend to log in. To be able to do something in that downtime that’s fun, but relaxing.

GE: Are there going to be any types of actions you need to do while fishing? We have seen comments that this could be easy for RMTs to bot if there are no actions to take.

Yoshida: Even now, RMT can create bots to get around the timing of actions. What we don’t want is to have fishing become stressful. It is supposed to be a relaxing thing. Pressing extra buttons for actions is going to create that stress. We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT. The system needs to be relaxing.

What we want is for fishing to be more about what you’ve done. So maybe achievements for catching certain sizes of fish? Or having a log that keeps track of your own collection of what you’ve caught before, or how big a fish you’ve caught before, or whether you have fished in all fishing spots? Having things that are connected to you.

This is not to say we’re not thinking of other things. For example, maybe you fish up a treasure map, and that map leads to a new quest- we are planning things like that.

This is the news everyone is unhappy with. It's more or less a death knell for the class.

Make the fish not worth anything to fight RMT? Check.

Make the mechanics something you can afk to reduce stress (What?)? Check.

Not give a shit about anyone who doesn't actually want to do combat in a ROLEPLAYING game? Super check.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoUUJfKBM6Q

This isn't fishing, there's too many actions involved and he's not relaxing.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

ARR Fishing system leaked footage.

http://youtu.be/_F1Zb9csOyI

[LlenCoram]

ARR Fishing system leaked footage.

http://youtu.be/_F1Zb9csOyI

That's still wrong. He was required to press a button to catch the fish. Far too stressful. This is more accurate example. An animated gif of the fishing we can expect:

[Fatestorm]

I think the words of Demetri Martin are apropos:

They call it fishing, but they should call it what it really is: tricking and killing.

I don't get this whole 'commune with nature' thing at all. I mean, yes, the whole atmosphere of the lake, or river, or stream, or rivulet, or pool, or well, or what have you make the experience very enjoyable... and the sunrise and the sunset... and the dragonflies buzzing around you... and the blistering heat at midday. All of that.

But surely ALL of that goes just as much for a job like Botanist, right? Communing with nature in the forests and trees and plants and crops and weeds and mosses and mushrooms? As the butterflies dance along the flowers?

...and yet they still get to sell their shit for a decent wage and pick abilities and actions and stuff...