Fishing in ARR

[Kairukun]

you guys are taking the fishing class too srs :/ If japan/NA are clamoring this much about making a better DoL class, then I bet yoshi will address it. I'm pretty sure he already knows and could be doing something in the works, think people need to chill lol

[Hestern_Nestern]

...Debating the creation of an LS called Water Rogues...

/think

You know, for fishing fun and "local" fishing competitions.

...On Sargatanas.

Yeah.

[Mjollnir]

...Debating the creation of an LS called Water Rogues...

Or... Fisherman's Friends!

[Punainen]

...Debating the creation of an LS called Water Rogues...

/think

You know, for fishing fun and "local" fishing competitions.

...On Sargatanas.

Yeah.

I mad a linkshell during 1.0 called "Harvesters of the Sea" (yes, inspired by the song "Fisherman" by Primus) on Sargatanas, but never got around to inviting anyone 'cause it was almost the end of 1.0. If you wanted though, I could invite you at Phase 4 or launch. :B

[Orophin]

While I don't like bringing attention to information gleaned from dats, Fishing will still have an economic impact in the game.

http://xivdb.com/?search/!filters/1/...9ST1JBU0M6Ig==

I know this isn't the exact problem people are having with fishing, but even if the mechanics are made a little simpler, there is still at least a reason other than "personal achievement" that fishing will remain relevant.

Edit: Moonkeepr beat me to it, didn't scroll back far enough.

[Reika]

While I don't like bringing attention to information gleaned from dats, Fishing will still have an economic impact in the game.

http://xivdb.com/?search/!filters/1/...9ST1JBU0M6Ig==

I know this isn't the exact problem people are having with fishing, but even if the mechanics are made a little simpler, there is still at least a reason other than "personal achievement" that fishing will remain relevant.

Edit: Moonkeepr beat me to it, didn't scroll back far enough.

I don't see enough seafoods in the top levels, and all of those recipes are identical to 1.0. Only alchemist really has anything new.

[Orophin]

A little more insight into fishing. I had Rein translate some of the provisional ability names and he was able to find a small blurb about it via a Famitsu interview. Thanks again for the translation Rein!

――漁師がほかのギャザラーやクラフターのように他のプレイヤーの役に立つ仕様は考えられているのでしょうか？
吉田　『旧FFXIV』 ではレシピに入っていたんですよね。鎧の一部に魚の皮が必要だとか。ゲームには凹凸があっていいと思うんです。ゲームを作るときにどうしても陥りやいの が、「このクラスにこれができるのだから、このクラスにもできたほうがいいよね」、という“平均化”なんです。じつはそれは全部いっしょになってしまうと てもつまらないことなのに、それをやらせるために設定でいびつなことをしていたり、いびつなアイテム構造にすると、迷惑をこうむるのはけっきょくプレイ ヤーなんです。その不自然さをゲームの根幹にはしたくなくて、だからβテストフェーズ3でも、漁師を公開していないのは、あくまで釣りのロールプレイをし たい人が楽しめばいい職業で、平均化を求めているのなら、そういうクラスではないですと今回説明していくつもりです。エオルゼアの自然を楽しんでもらう職 業。その代わり釣竿、エサ、仕掛けを選んだり、水質のタイプを考えたり。ギリギリまでオーケーするか迷っていましたが、雲海に釣り糸を垂らすと、雲に住ん でいる魚が釣れます。あとは流砂で釣れたり。僕は最初NGだと言っていたのですが、どうしてもやらせてほしい、水だけだと狭くなるので、ファンタジーなの だからと強く推されました（笑）。説得力がちゃんと出せるならいいと、いま担当が必死にデータを作っているところです。がんばれ！という感じで生暖かく見 ています。
For Fisher are you thinking of a way to make them useful for other players like other Gatherer/Crafter classes?
Yoshida: In previous FFXIV they were used in recipes. Like requiring fish scales for a part of armor. As a game it's good to have it but when making a game it's easy to fall into making all classes the same "This class can do this so this class should be able to do the same". This balancing, making all of them the same would be boring, and to make something more complicated (more parts) would cause inconvenience to the players. I don't want to put in the games foundation where it forces player to do stuff (make it more complicated).

That is why we haven't released Fisher in beta test phase 3, Fisher is a class where people really want to enjoy roleplay fishing, but at same time you'll need to choose the fishing rod, bait, setup, and think about the types of water, I was really undecided till the end but if you drop a line in cloud of sea you will be able to fish living in the clouds. Also fishing in quicksand. At first I said it's No Go but they really wanted to do it, they said just being water will make it too small (scale), they pushed saying this is Fantasy (laugh). So I told them if they can make it very persuasive then it's OK, the person in charge is working hard at making the data. I'm cheering them on!

[LlenCoram]

A little more insight into fishing. I had Rein translate some of the provisional ability names and he was able to find a small blurb about it via a Famitsu interview. Thanks again for the translation Rein!

... What? Fishing in quicksand? So fishing won't be only at water now?

I swear this whole fiasco only goes two directions. With every small bit of news it either gets more depressing or more confusing.

I still completely disagree with him that complication is a bad thing. Oh noez, forcing the player to do stuff... God forbid we actually have to PLAY this video game. Honestly...

[Punainen]

... What? Fishing in quicksand? So fishing won't be only at water now?

I swear this whole fiasco only goes two directions. With every small bit of news it either gets more depressing or more confusing.

I still completely disagree with him that complication is a bad thing. Oh noez, forcing the player to do stuff... God forbid we actually have to PLAY this video game. Honestly...

Technically quicksand is a body of water. That's why it's quicksand, because it's sand thinned out with enough water to make you sink into it.

[LlenCoram]

Technically quicksand is a body of water. That's why it's quicksand, because it's sand thinned out with enough water to make you sink into it.

Oh, I know, but... I don't even. I was pretty bitter about Thursday's news. That grew to annoyed anger on friday/weekend. This today has put me squarely into furious (I'm playing the game because it's relaxing Yoshi. I don't need MORE relaxing from an already relaxing pastime!), and now this? Now I'm just confused.

First off, I just want to say it's ridiculous that Yoshi-P seems to believe that fishing is the only thing that RMT will create bots for. RMT will utilize any aspect of the game that gets them the largest amount of money in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of effort. Even in 1.0 fishing was far from the most exploited content by RMT (it was faction leves). However, you don't see the devs reducing gil rewards from guildleves or trying to make faction leves into some sort of pointless achievement grind.

Fishing was already a marginally profitable class, benefiting from small demand niches like GC supply missions or culinarian and alchemy recipes. To say that RMT will take advantage of fishing more than the far more lucrative botany and mining materials is absolute ludicrous.

Frankly I find their excuses insulting.



Lol, what ? Is this a joke ?

Personally, I'm very disappointed in Yoshi-P right now, for a person that seems to have done everything else right, he's seriously dropped the ball when it comes to fishing.

Yeah, I honestly don't know where he got any of his ideas concerning fishing, but I can tell you right now he did not get them from that player poll he had ages ago. He's basically ignored every part of that, or at the least interpreted it completely the wrong way.