On the recent letter

[Abriael]

Once again i agree with you i'm just saying does not really matter at this point if SE say it or not.

It's no opinion. What SE says (or doesn't say) on the issue is the only thing that matters.

[Zenaku]

It's no opinion. What SE says (or doesn't say) on the issue is the only thing that matters.

wow you most be the type of person that have to win a argument by making the person say it your way. Like i said before it's done it's over enough no one cares it's off topic so stop.

[Abriael]

wow your the type of person that have to win a argument by making the person say it your way.

Nope. I simply don't like the idea of people getting misled into talking about something they can't talk about and suffering the consequences for that.

[Zenaku]

Nope. I simply don't like the idea of people getting misled into talking about something they can't talk about and suffering the consequences for that.

ok i get it enough lol.

[Preypacer]

Agreed.
They showed characters killing a couple low level mobs - There was no insight into how larger mobs would work, crowd control/clustering and the like . Honestly they didn't show enough in the vids for people to say "OMG I hate this" D:

Haven't seen enough for people to rave about it and claim it's going to be awesome, either. But I don't see anyone calling people out when they make those claims.

Funny how that works.

Critical? "You haven't seen enough to form an opinion"

Praising? "You haven't seen any more than the critical people, but that's okay. Your assumptions and hopes of how it's going to be is more than enough to go on"

It's the ultimate double-standard.

[Mjollnir]

The NDA on the whole content of beta 1 and beta 2 (and alpha) is still fully in place, and SE was very clear about it. That's all there's to it.

Not fully. SE was very clear that the NDA had been lifted for all testers with regards Character Creation, Old Gridania and New Gridania. I'd quote the post, but I think by doing so I'd be in breach of the NDA...

Granted that's not relevant to the thread at hand which is discussing the battle systems, but for the sake of correctness!

[Preypacer]

Sprint on it's own meter in Wildstar means melee aren't at a disadvantage in pvp. (Why does sprint cost TP in FFXIV?) If it's because mages can't move when casting, then let them move...
(No NDA breaking, shown here: http://youtu.be/_N4G854ANo0?t=2m51s)

lol... is this what we have to do now when we choose to criticize something about ARR's direction?

What, is the new tactic to silence opinions people don't like to threaten them with "NDA breach"? We have to start pre-emptively proving we're not breaking NDA because we're voicing an unpopular opinion?

Folks, between the Live Letters, screenshots, videos, articles, interviews and clarifications made via SE community managers, there has been tons of information released about how things are intended to be in ARR, covering a wide spectrum of categories.

That seems to be the new thing on forums, though, from what I'm seeing - here and elsewhere. Someone posts information that has already been officially released, and you see a bunch of self-appointed forum police crying "NDA Breach!!!" trying to shut the person up, even though it isn't.

Dealing with real NDA breaches is the domain of the mods, and they read/monitor these forums. How about we let them do the job they're actually hired/paid to do, and stop using "NDA Breach!" to try and stifle dissenting opinion? It's pretty lame.

[Abriael]

lol... is this what we have to do now when we choose to criticize something about ARR's direction?

What, is the new tactic to silence opinions people don't like to threaten them with "NDA breach"? We have to start pre-emptively proving we're not breaking NDA because we're voicing an unpopular opinion?

Or maybe people say it's an NDA breach just because it is, and your conspiracy theory doesn't hold much water.

There's a place to discuss NDA-covered mechanics, where it also has a much bigger chance to catch the attention of the developers. It's called "beta forums". They exist for a reason.

[Preypacer]

Or maybe people say it's an NDA breach just because it is, and your conspiracy theory doesn't hold much water.

No... see... A 'Conspiracy Theory' is when you believe something is happening that actually isn't, outside someone's imagination, due to paranoia, etc.

When I go on various forums and see people crying "NDA Breach!" - and only in response to negative or critical opinions - only to be proven wrong when someone links to the very public article discussing what they're speaking about... that's not conspiracy theory. That's actual fact. And I'm seeing it a lot.

So my "theory" is perfectly sound, thank you.

But I'm sure you'll come back with one of your characteristically condescending/arrogant retorts telling me how I'm wrong. That's fine. I trust my eyes far more than I do the self-righteous rhetoric of someone on a forum.

[Abriael]

No... see... A 'Conspiracy Theory' is when you believe something is happening that actually isn't, outside someone's imagination, due to paranoia, etc.

When I go on various forums and see people crying "NDA Breach!" - and only in response to negative or critical opinions - only to be proven wrong when someone links to the very public article discussing what they're speaking about... that's not conspiracy theory. That's actual fact.

So my "theory" is perfectly sound, thank you.

"my theory is sound because I say it is" doesn't really hold much water.

Your limited personal experience of "various forums" doesn't hold any statistical value (no matter how much you paint it as "fact"), and in any case doesn't justify breaching the NDA just because you agree or disagree with it. There's a place to talk about NDA-covered mechanics (where it's actually useful), and this isn't that place. The same goes for the other "various forums" that aren't that place.

The fact that "OMG it's old!" is a ridiculous and meaningless way to describe or criticize any game mechanic is completely separate from that point.

You can "trust your eyes" as much as you want, but you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing: trying to silence a valid statement (there is an NDA in place and should be respected) by artificially associating it with some kind of hidden agenda that you can't in any way prove.