Paladin vs Warrior - ARR better set roles!

[Shougun]

I agree that PLD needs to be more desireable. They are pretty crappy at all content till dungeons and if they are not well geared crappy then too, just pick a warrior lol.

However a well geared PLD in a dungeon was awesome, you could definitely feel the difference.

It is still imho that I suggest that either the difference is made greater by nerfing the tank ability and adding damage to off tank classes or by buffing the PLD tank ability even more - OR by buffing the PLD dps ability (dps boost would probably be best since "off-tanks" should exist).

[Allesasi]

I like the game to have more than one job or class that can tank effectively for all content. Having just one tank class in a game limits everyones options and it also wastes a lot of time if you have to have that certain job/class and always have to look for such job/class to be able to do things. I say lets have more than one tank class please!

[FedeMax]

For both to be tanks, SE would have to give them the same amount of DPS power, defence and agro abilities. Which for FF personaly does not makes sense to have to equal classes. I really see WAR more as a DPS Crowd Control, more than anything else, but I should be squishy is multiples Mobs attacking at the same time compare to PLD.

[Reika]

I'm all for more tank classes too, but the way they were doing it just wasn't balanced. The whole 'this tank is better at this content than this tank' needs to stop on the development side before it can stop on the players side. So what if you can easily change to the other class. I like one far more than the other and rather not be forced into a job I dont want to be. Thats like making the game feel like a job.

Each different tank should be able to handle each situation, just in its own way.

[Skies]

because it makes Paladin obsolete. Warrior has far higher dps output then a Paladin does. If both classes are on equal ground for defense and tanking, Warrior will always be the top choice. Paladin MUST be better then Warrior in terms of tank ability, but worse in terms of damage dealing.

Zezlar you are having a problem understanding what 'equal' means. They both perform equally well in their role as tank. HOW they perform it is irrelevant. A Warrior's higher DPS has to be factored in his tanking ability as well as a Paladin's mitigation is factored in his tanking ability, they tank through different methods, but equally as efficiently. If the Warrior is 'always the top choice' something must be done to either Warrior or Paladin.

[Shougun]

I like the game to have more than one job or class that can tank effectively for all content. Having just one tank class in a game limits everyones options and it also wastes a lot of time if you have to have that certain job/class and always have to look for such job/class to be able to do things. I say lets have more than one tank class please!

The idea is good until you talk about job classes.

PLD is the tank job. You're basically saying we should have more then one tank class and that the only job a paladin can do isnt unique to him.

PLD must have something. If a warrior can do more dps, do more aoe, and tank just as well - why ever be Paladin.

This wasnt fully true in 1.0 but in too many situations it was. Having a job JUST for end game dungeons is pretty lame, taking away a jobs ability for end game dungeons is even worse (suggesting other jobs can tank just as well as paladin - you've left him nothing desirable).

[Lucke]

As a PLD main, there were only 2 (or 4 depending on what you count) instances where I was asked to Tank: CC and Darnus. CC for Princess/Marshal, and Chimera, and Darnusfor well, Darnus. Even then Princess/Marshal could be done with 2 WARs. Everything PLD could do, WAR could do better. I was decently geared, had Hamlet armor, and the WARs in the LS had around 1000+ more HP, I could get around 3200-3500HP and WARs had 4500+ without Darklight.

Could make PLD Defense onry. Give them a bunch of defense abilities and maybe a couple of offensive abilities.

Make WAR dual purpose: ATK and DEF. However, give them stances, so like they can't have both at the same time. Defensive stance increases DEF but cripples ATK, while ATK Stance buffs damage but cripples their DEF ability. Since PLD specializes in DEF, give them a better tanking ability than WAR. WARs can do either, They have higher attack than a PLD, but less DEF.

Specialists should ALWAYS be better at what they do over a Jack-Of-All-Trades. PLD is the Specialist while WAR is a Jack of all trades.

[Andrien]

In my opinion nothing made PLD shine, except for one or two boss fights in v1.0

It is a joke in caravan escort too lol

[Reika]

As a PLD main, there were only 2 (or 4 depending on what you count) instances where I was asked to Tank: CC and Darnus. CC for Princess/Marshal, and Chimera, and Darnusfor well, Darnus. Even then Princess/Marshal could be done with 2 WARs. Everything PLD could do, WAR could do better. I was decently geared, had Hamlet armor, and the WARs in the LS had around 1000+ more HP, I could get around 3200-3500HP and WARs had 4500+ without Darklight.

Could make PLD Defense onry. Give them a bunch of defense abilities and maybe a couple of offensive abilities.

Make WAR dual purpose: ATK and DEF. However, give them stances, so like they can't have both at the same time. Defensive stance increases DEF but cripples ATK, while ATK Stance buffs damage but cripples their DEF ability. Since PLD specializes in DEF, give them a better tanking ability than WAR. WARs can do either, They have higher attack than a PLD, but less DEF.

Specialists should ALWAYS be better at what they do over a Jack-Of-All-Trades. PLD is the Specialist while WAR is a Jack of all trades.

Similar to the Defender skill, which they removed, and Berzerk skill, which didnt work as well as people liked... I really liked the Focus Defense skill (forget what it was called) that Gladiator got that increased your defense against your target and reduced defense against all others.

[Lucke]

Similar to the Defender skill, which they removed, and Berzerk skill, which didnt work as well as people liked... I really liked the Focus Defense skill (forget what it was called) that Gladiator got that increased your defense against your target and reduced defense against all others.

But you must have one stance active at all times. Another thing was WAR was broken with that one crazy HP tap thing they did. Activate that and use Whirlwind or whatever in CC and boom! Full HP and a shitton of aggro. BRO-KEN!