TESO the biggest rival for ARR?

[Almalexia]

The CGI trailer for TESO is nice and all, but... meh.

You know what impressed me about the trailer?

I didn't even realize this was a TES game until I saw the White Gold tower in the background. If I had watched the trailer without knowing what I was in for, I would have thought it another generic fantasy game featuring three generic fantasy characters instead of the iconic TES warrior/rogue/mage triumvirate.

This is not a good sign.

Oh, I should add: I still think it looks like a generic fantasy game featuring three generic fantasy characters.

[LlenCoram]

You know what impressed me about the trailer?

I didn't even realize this was a TES game until I saw the White Gold tower in the background. If I had watched the trailer without knowing what I was in for, I would have thought it another generic fantasy game featuring three generic fantasy characters instead of the iconic TES warrior/rogue/mage triumvirate.

This is not a good sign.

Oh, I should add: I still think it looks like a generic fantasy game featuring three generic fantasy characters.

I agree, though I'd like to edit my old statement. I meant meh more as in it just feels like more high-fantasy stuff. The visuals were gorgeous though.

[Balbanes]

Elder Scrolls Online is the most anticipated mmo right now in the U.S. The hype is big. But...I have no idea how the Elder Scrolls franchise is received in other countries. Final Fantasy has a large fan base all over the world.

As far as competition in the U.S. - I think it will be a timing game for SE.

It seems there's a pretty big interest for it in Europe. Probably not so much in Asia, as it won't have a supported release there.

I hadn't even heard of TESO until you mentioned it. If it's coming out that soon, then that's some terrible marketing on their part.

TES is a very different universe to FF. I don't really forsee it taking lots of customers away.

It's due to come out this year, but has been in development for 5. Development started a bit after Oblivion.

100 billion or so meaningless quests against the quality of ARR, TESO does not stand a chance in the long run. Sure I wouldnt be surprised if they get mmorpg of the year but that would not mean jack to me. TESO will probably will have its niche audience but I dont see any real FF fans leavein ARR for that game unless they aren't real FF fans. I cannot emphasize enough how extremely over hyped that game will be and I can see it going Pay to win in less than a year.

Here is something for those playing Skyrim ~ tgm : thats togle god mode. End of game. Muaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!

I wouldn't say that ESO will have a niche audience. It could be said that ARR will have a niche audience. Just depends on what you like. I'm looking forward to them both.

Idk why TESO is even getting this much attention. Like I said.. It was just a mod made by a modding community..
This is like Day-z / The war-z all over again. I said it would flop and it did.. Why? Because modders made it and they don't know nearly as much as they'd like to think they know.. TESO is a mod. It will almost certainly fall flat on it's face..
I can almost guarantee it..
I've been following it since it started being talked about and it has been nothing but trouble..

I don't even know where you got this information from. ESO is not a mod of any sort. It's a standalone MMO being made by Zenimax Online Studios, a sister company to Bethesda (both being owned by Zenimax Media).

Just curious, since I haven't been following TESO news, like at all, did they say anything new about hosing in that MMO? Cause, in one of the first interviews about it they were all like "There'll be no housing cause it's difficult to implement it in a MMO" which made me go WTF seriously?!

That was a misspeak/quote. Housing will not be in at launch, but they are planning to add it sometime afterwards.

There are four posts on the larger fan-site's board (no official boards like us lucky folk!) that mention FFXIV. Two are from people also looking forward to ARR, one is commenting on lifetime membership and using FFXIV 1.0 as an example of why you shouldn't offer it (lol?!) and the last is saying how it would be nice to sell wares from a shop, like FFXIV tried to do with Market Wards.

But no, no 10-page thread. I like to think that's because we've got a much more vibrant and informed community!

They in fact do have official boards. They're temporary boards, yes, and for some unimaginable reason not linked to on the main site, but yes there are official boards. They're using the Bethesda boards for the time being.


As much as I'm looking forward to ARR (and I dearly, dearly want it to be a huge success), I'm majorly following ESO right now and I'm telling you guys, the game is going to be a smash.

It's being lead by two guys who were the front men for very successful MMOs (Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot), and their team is comprised of people who have both played and worked on MMOs before.

If you're interested in learning more about the game, here's a link to all of the video interviews/podcasts done up to this point. Again, not trying to take away from ARR's glory, as FF is very near and dear to me. ESO is not going to be some F2P in 6 months flop, though, you can be sure of that.

[Ticks]

It's being lead by two guys who were the front men for very successful MMOs (Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot),and their team is comprised of people who have both played and worked on MMOs before..

The two that Yoshi is hanging out with?

[Balbanes]

The two that Yoshi is hanging out with?

Ironically, no. Those two are the current leaders. Matt Firor (lead producer for ESO) was the lead director for Dark Age of Camelot back when it was new. Paul Sage (Creative Director) worked on UO.

[Shougun]

Ironically, no. Those two are the current leaders. Matt Firor (lead producer for ESO) was the lead director for Dark Age of Camelot back when it was new. Paul Sage (Creative Director) worked on UO.

Yoshida has mentioned a few times he is a big fan of DAoC. There are points in TESO I think it looks pretty, and other points it looks 5 years old. I feel its due to some oddly shaped models and inconsistent aesthetics - it was in Aion too, some zones looked so.. so.. bad. lol

Still, I think people should give it a little more credit then "genric crap fest" - its being designed by not so generic people lol

[Balbanes]

Yoshida has mentioned a few times he is a big fan of DAoC. There are points in TESO I think it looks pretty, and other points it looks 5 years old. I feel its due to some oddly shaped models and inconsistent aesthetics - it was in Aion too, some zones looked so.. so.. bad. lol

Still, I think people should give it a little more credit then "genric crap fest" - its being designed by not so generic people lol

Not to mention it's $300 million investment

[bobbygunz]

FFXIV: ARR has competition from basically every up and coming game due solely to the fact that they all seem to offer more progressive features. But I'm sure there's still a market for FFXIV: ARR. TESO has both jump AND dodge, so FF fans would have an aneurism trying to grapple with both those concepts at the same time. Therefore it will have its own niche demographic. I think that's all SE are really aiming for anyway. They aren't exactly trying to be "the next best thing" they're just trying to be a good thing. Their ambition and self-assuredness was basically curbed when FFXIV originally failed and as long as they get some share of the market, they may be happy enough with that, supposing it's sill enough to support the game.

[bobbygunz]

Just curious, since I haven't been following TESO news, like at all, did they say anything new about hosing in that MMO? Cause, in one of the first interviews about it they were all like "There'll be no housing cause it's difficult to implement it in a MMO" which made me go WTF seriously?!

It is difficult, unless you just implement it in an instance like ARR. Few games really have or have had persistent, meaningful housing features. Instanced housing is the easy option, but just removes players out of the MMO gameworld and puts them in instances, which isn't a good thing.

[Nuinn]

Why? It actually isn't an easy system to implement in a meaningful manner, which is why people overly excited for it in ARR will ultimately be disappointed. This is why for example Yoshi used DQX's as an example, because it's very simplistic.

To be honest, I've yet to play a MMO with anything really elaborate when it comes to housing. Perhaps I've just missed playing such MMOs. So far all had instanced housing, with simple mechanic, but still enough freedom for customization to make it a neat enjoyable pastime. I suppose it just depends what people are expecting it to be. . . .

I'd love nothing more than a Harvest Moon style type of housing, but well aware it'd be extremely difficult to implement something as complex in a MMO. Was actually referring to one of those early interviews where they said TESO won't be having any, even the simplest housing feature (which I sort of view as something that perhaps should be, in one way or another, a standard feature in MMOs today - small or big in volume, purely for vanity or have practical use).

It is difficult, unless you just implement it in an instance like ARR. Few games really have or have had persistent, meaningful housing features. Instanced housing is the easy option, but just removes players out of the MMO gameworld and puts them in instances, which isn't a good thing.

Personally quite fine with instanced housing, the way ARR intends to do it. Apart from having duplicates of the same instance, it's effectively still is a separately loaded zone which "divides" the players, to put it that way.

That was a misspeak/quote. Housing will not be in at launch, but they are planning to add it sometime afterwards.

Glad to hear. As said, haven't been following news about TESO and that was just stuck in my head since the early interviews which I found extremely odd and bit disheartening cause ever since Daggerfall I loved having that option in my TES games.