dev1031 You are losing your main playerbase by making things too easy/fast/casual

[Abriael]

1) You're not always there for anywhere near 3 hours unless you're super unlucky
2) If you have a real life it's great because you can go afk for 29 minutes lol (because we all know how busy you are)

Lemme spell it out for you. No matter if you waste the whole three hours (or any number) staring at the screen or going afk for 29 minutes. You're not playing, and you're not having fun.

Good game design is fun for the whole time, not for 30 seconds every 30 minutes.

My time isnt worth answering you.
if you find the game difficult then i stand for what i said before.
Mario 3 is hardz.tanking is hardz.I dont need a degree on internetz to know what is hard and what is not.
I enjoy playing to some extent, but saying tanking isnt a joke here is like saying ffxi wasnt a huge time sink.
Saying 99% of FFXI mobs are tank and spank only comes to show how ignorant you are.

You (quite conveniently) forgot the "grind" parts of "99% of FFXI grind mobs". In any case, lovely to see that you (quite conveniently again) refuse to bring in even just one argument to counter what I say or to prove the personal accusations you throw (I'm still waiting to see you quote where I said that the game rocks).
The "my time isn't worth answering you" sunds a lot like the typical forum warrior excuse used when he doesn't know what to write.

Oh, and I despise Mario with a passion.

[Zkieve]

Lemme spell it out for you. No matter of you waste the whole three hours (or any number) staring at the screen or going afk for 29 minutes. You're not playing, and you're not having fun.

Good game design is fun for the whole time, not for 30 seconds every 30 minutes.



You (quite conveniently) forgot the "grind" parts of "99% of FFXI grind mobs". In any case, lovely to see that you (quite conveniently again) refuse to bring in even just one argument to counter what I say.
The "my time isn't worth answering you" sunds a lot the typical forum warrior excuse used when he doesn't know what to write.

What exactly is your point , cause i fail to see one , let me retype it to you , FFXIV is easy. Tanking is easy.You find it hard, then maybe an IQ test is due.We dont have an end game, We dont have balanced classes, the devs say so themselfs, but you want to argue even with devs who say the games is in a bad shape and they are catering to the casual-mid level crowd atm.

What is your argument, that keeping guard up and managing stamina is hard, get out of here.Just becouse you find it fun ( and i can acept that completly ) it does not make it hard.Stop labeling people of hardcore or casuals.


EVERYONE NEEDS A CHALLENGE.

time sink=/= challenge
current ffxiv =/= challenge.

is it clear enough for you ?

[Abriael]

What exactly is your point , cause i fail to see one , let me retype it to you , FFXIV is easy.

because you say so?

Tanking is easy.You find it hard, then maybe an IQ test is due.

Besides the usual personal attack, I never said that I find it "hard" (again, misconstruing an argument because you can't counter it isn't exactly a good way to discuss). I said that I find it harder than FFXI. Which it is, for the several reasons I listed, that you still didn't counter once.

We dont have an end game

Who ever talked about end game (besides the fact that we DO have an endgame, we just don't have a sufficent endgame)?

We dont have balanced classes

Very true. That's why they're fixing it. But what does this have to do with difficulty? Besides "absolutely nothing of course".

What is your argument, that keeping guard up and managing stamina is hard, get out of here.Just becouse you find it fun ( and i can acept that completly ) it does not make it hard.

And where exactly did I say it's "hard"? Stamina management requires a degree of awareness. Degree of awareness which is completely absent from FFXI (and most other MMORPGs), and is one of the elements that makes tanking rank & file mobs more challenging than in FFXI, where tanking during normal leveling is a completely routinary exercise.

I never once said that tanking in FFXIV is "hard". I said (and I stand by it), that the *mechanics* of tanking in FFXIV are quite evidently more challenging and require more awareness than those in FFXI.

EVERYONE NEEDS A CHALLENGE.

And who exactly denied this?

[Zkieve]

because you say so?



Besides the usual personal attack, I never said that I find it "hard" (again, misconstruing an argument because you can't counter it isn't exactly a good way to discuss). I said that I find it harder than FFXI. Which it is, for the several reasons I listed, that you still didn't counter once.



Who ever talked about end game (besides the fact that we DO have an endgame, we just don't have a sufficent endgame)?



Very true. That's why they're fixing it. But what does this have to do with difficulty? Besides "absolutely nothing of course".



And where exactly did I say it's "hard"? Stamina management requires a degree of awareness. Degree of awareness which is completely absent from FFXI (and most other MMORPGs), and is one of the elements that makes tanking rank & file mobs more challenging than in FFXI, where tanking during normal leveling is a completely routinary exercise.



And who exactly denied this?

Clearly you have no clue about ffxi , at least pre raise of 75 cap, so further discussion is pointless.
I wish you a good day sir, find some one else to troll.

[Abriael]

Clearly you have no clue about ffxi , at least pre raise of 75 cap, so further discussion is pointless.
I wish you a good day sir, find some one else to troll.

Actually I played FFXI *only* prior to the raise of the 75 cap (for several years since the second month of the Japanese launch), on Ramuh, with the same nickname. What makes the discussion pointless is that you refuse to actually keep the discussion on the level of arguments, and prefer to throw petty personal attacks to try and hide it, like the post I just quoted demonstrates further.
"you don't have a clue", "you suck", "you're ignorant", aren't arguments and add no solidity to your position.

[Zkieve]

Actually I played FFXI *only* prior to the raise of the 75 cap (for several years since the second month of the Japanese launch). What makes the discussion pointless is that you refuse to actually keep the discussion on the level of arguments, and prefer to throw petty personal attacks to try and hide it, like the post I just quoted demonstrates further.
"you don't have a clue", "you suck", "you're ignorant", aren't arguments and add no solidity to your position.

sorry sometimes people cant understand each other solely based on character. You say ffxi is easy and ffxiv hard . I think otherwise.You wont convince me (since i have done everything on ffxiv and almost everythin on ffxi) so keeping this discussion is pointless .Our discussion is solely based on opinions, no point to it. Your opinion about degree of dificulty is diferent than mine . does that makes me better ? not really.Are we beating on a wall by arguing , yea very.

Like i say i enjoy ffxiv to some degree but your everything is awesome in ffxiv is annoying.If you wish of me to take you seriously tell me a few thins you find wrong with ffxiv and perhaps ill try and take you seriously.Until then...this is what i have for you.

[Abriael]

sorry sometimes people cant understand each other solely based on character. You say ffxi is easy and ffxiv hard .

No. While I think that FFXI is a rather easy game (as in difficulty, not as in time spent, but timesinks aren't a degree of difficulty). I just said that the tanking mechanics in FFXIV are more challenging and require an higher level of awareness than in FFXI.
That's quite a lot different than saying that FFXI is easy and FFXIV is hard.

I don't know a single MMORPG that I would define "hard".
Drifting in Gran Turismo 5 is "hard". MMORPGs? Nah...

does that makes me better ? not really.

It seems that you think that it makes me "ignorant", "suck", "in need of an IQ check" or other funny little things like that, though.

If you wish of me to take you seriously tell me a few thins you find wrong with ffxiv and perhaps ill try and take you seriously.

Check my post history in my profile (the one with the threads I opened) and you'll get a glimpse of what I think is wrong with FFXIV (besides the fact that there's not nearly enough content, which I repeated tons of times in this thread itself).

The fact that I reply with some realism to some complaints that I require quite nonsensical and to requests than I deem unrealistic doesn't mean that I don't have complaints of my own.

Fact is that the development team needs to keep things firmly anchored to the ground of realism and not bite more than they can chew, if we want this game to have a shot at becoming successful.