dev1031 You are losing your main playerbase by making things too easy/fast/casual

[Jinko]

Having more time? You post on these forums x100 more than me. You have more time then anyone else you just don't want people to be better than you because you can't handle it.

You're getting pretty childish now, you have lost this same old battle over and over in how many threads now ?

Fact is that SE don't want to make another FF11 clone, they don't want to cater to the hardcore players so you are clearly SOL.

As for FF11 taking more skill to level thats complete BS, I had 2 jobs at 75 (yea i quit a long time ago) it wasn't skill that got me to 75 it was time, time standing around doing nothing in Jeuno/Whitegate with my LFP flag up. (yea those times were shit hot awesome!!)

I have some awesome memories of playing 11, CoP was awesome, but I don't want to go back to that kind of time sink again and its pretty clear the majority don't either that is why you are the minority on these forums even in a game that only has 30k players (I duno if thats accurate, I see it thrown around alot)

[Abriael]

Having more time? You post on these forums x100 more than me. You have more time then anyone else you just don't want people to be better than you because you can't handle it.

Considering how much you advocate wasting time instead of actual challenge, I seriously doubt that "people" will ever involve you

And yes, I have a lot of time. I work on computers for 50% of my worktime and I sleep very little. The difference between you and me is that I know I'm part of a small niche the commercial/monetary weight of which is near zero, and I don't strive for the game to be a failure with 10000 active players by restricting it's content to *my* niche.

Sorry mate, but being willing to camp a mob for any extended period of time doesn't make you,me or anyone "better" than anyone else.

[Elexia]

Fact is that SE don't want to make another FF11 clone, they don't want to cater to the hardcore players so you are clearly SOL.

There are no FFXI clones, therefore there can't be "another clone", not to mention they wanted to make it as different as possible, yet similiar to XI but they messed that up and even admitted as such.

Also the skill is, I can guarantee even if you level to 75 as RDM, you won't be able to solo anything just because the job itself can solo NMs, that's the "skill" that is lost being able to burn from 30-90 without ever touching a party to learn your job.

[Zkieve]

just for the info, i never said i want ffxi system , or that ffxi was the awesome sauce.
I said it was a lot more difficult than ffxiv.1 grind party in ffxi(SC MB party) took more coordination than a NM in FFxiv.
FFXIV ITS THE EASIEST MMO I HAVE EVER PLAYED.
I dont care if they make it casual or whatever.But the fact is a super easy game, trying to say otherwise is just being hypocrite.
defense force of SE is more annoying everyday.I wasnt even in favor of making the game "hardcore".
Anyways boo bye , gonna be late.

[Gracious]

just for the info, i never said i want ffxi system , or that ffxi was the awesome sauce.
I said it was a lot more difficult than ffxiv.1 grind party in ffxi(SC MB party) took more coordination than a NM in FFxiv.
FFXIV ITS THE EASIEST MMO I HAVE EVER PLAYED.
I dont care if they make it casual or whatever.But the fact is a super easy game, trying to say otherwise is just being hypocrite.
defense force of SE is more annoying everyday.I wasnt even in favor of making the game "hardcore".
Anyways boo bye , gonna be late.

I don't think there is anything easy at all about grinding up all the jobs. In fact, I find it challenging. I love a challenge....

[Abriael]

just for the info, i never said i want ffxi system , or that ffxi was the awesome sauce.
I said it was a lot more difficult than ffxiv.1 grind party in ffxi(SC MB party) took more coordination than a NM in FFxiv.
FFXIV ITS THE EASIEST MMO I HAVE EVER PLAYED.
I dont care if they make it casual or whatever.But the fact is a super easy game, trying to say otherwise is just being hypocrite.
defense force of SE is more annoying everyday.I wasnt even in favor of making the game "hardcore".
Anyways boo bye , gonna be late.

Grinding in FFXI wasn't AT ALL difficult. It was long. That's all.
Skillchains/magic burst took a little coordination, but that's minimal, considering that they are an entirely routinary activity.
Considering that grind mobs in FFXIV are actually more active thanin FFXI ones (IE: in most cases have actually varied skills, that need a minimum level of awareness to be avoided), I would say that the skill involved is pretty much equivalent.

Hell, even just running around during a raptor party takes more awareness than throwing in a weapon skill for a skillchain in FFXI.

FFXIV also has stamina management on top of timing, which requires more awareness to fight with any decent degree of efficence. Aggro is more volatile too, and tanking is quite a lot more challenging in FFXIV grinding than it was in FFXI (tanking in FFXI was one of the easiest I found in a MMO).

[Shiyo]

Wow, did you just say FF14 grinding is more active than 11, and 11 wasn't hard compared to FF14? My god, what games do these people play? Can I play their version of these games?

This is by far the easiest game I've ever played in my entire life, and it has the most boring, easiest combat system ever. There is no "awareness" there is no "stamina managing"(LOL?), if you actually think anything in this games combat system requires any thought, skill, or awareness, I think you shouldn't be playing video games.

Also, you thought tanking was EASY in ff11? Wow, seriously, bizzaro FF11 much? Ni Ichi NIN tanking easy huh? Man, you're obviously trolling or your head is on COMPLETELY backwards, how can you be completely wrong on everything you say? Nothing you say is 90% 60% 50% wrong, just 100%, how?

[Corrderio]

And once again, it doesn't seem like this is the game for you.

[Gracious]

Wow, did you just say FF14 grinding is more active than 11, and 11 wasn't hard compared to FF14? My god, what games do these people play? Can I play their version of these games?

This is by far the easiest game I've ever played in my entire life, and it has the most boring, easiest combat system ever. There is no "awareness" there is no "stamina managing"(LOL?), if you actually think anything in this games combat system requires any thought, skill, or awareness, I think you shouldn't be playing video games.

Also, you thought tanking was EASY in ff11? Wow, seriously, bizzaro FF11 much? Ni Ichi NIN tanking easy huh? Man, you're obviously trolling or your head is on COMPLETELY backwards, how can you be completely wrong on everything you say? Nothing you say is 90% 60% 50% wrong, just 100%, how?

Awareness... moving on puk backflips and other strategies to avoid mobs damage is awareness. I don't know what game you are playing but this game is not as lol stupidly easy as you make it seem. There is no ninja here so I can't really compare it to tanking on this game. There is strategy involved in the game as well when killing monsters breaking backs of monsters and what not is an example of a way to use your thinking capacity when you play.

[kanjitai]

@kanjitai there are many games for you out there on the market already, we don't need more. Hardcore players don't have a game at all for them, share please? ;_; We wanna have fun too!

So I should go play another game even though I want to play XIV? I should just accept the fact that it should be made hardcore and nothing else? There is a hardcore FF on the market and that's XI. Even with all the adjustments they've made it's still harder then other MMOs that are out. They can add content for both sides.