dev1031 You are losing your main playerbase by making things too easy/fast/casual

[Zkieve]

Grinding in FFXI wasn't AT ALL difficult. It was long. That's all.
Skillchains/magic burst took a little coordination, but that's minimal, considering that they are an entirely routinary activity.
Considering that grind mobs in FFXIV are actually more active thanin FFXI ones (IE: in most cases have actually varied skills, that need a minimum level of awareness to be avoided), I would say that the skill involved is pretty much equivalent.

Hell, even just running around during a raptor party takes more awareness than throwing in a weapon skill for a skillchain in FFXI.

FFXIV also has stamina management on top of timing, which requires more awareness to fight with any decent degree of efficence. Aggro is more volatile too, and tanking is quite a lot more challenging in FFXIV grinding than it was in FFXI (tanking in FFXI was one of the easiest I found in a MMO).

This guy right there have to be the biggest fanboy i have ever seen in m entire career as a gamer. a incomplete game to a fully developed game , yet you continue to say this game rocks.
I feel discussing with you is a big waste of time, you are the fanboy equivalent of belgian rolf.

Anyone saying ffiv is hard should really try and get some gaming outside of the theme park course.
I done everything ffxiv have to offer and i can tell you is easiest mmo ever.Is only a big time sink all together.
If you really find ffxiv difficult , then anything would be difficult for you.
I am not a hardcore player, i used to be on ffxi , in here i BARELY play at all and i have almost two lv 50.have beatend all nms , and grinded my ass on armorer to 40.Bought almost all maxed gear since glady 40, and never had a hate problem or even a challenge in my entire career in ff14.

Please dont get me started on just how easy is to tank.
If you find tanking difficult , then you are not a casual, you just suck.

Im fine with ffxiv erasing all time sinks. I aprove.But the game it is currently on easy mode and have nothin to do with time sink vs no time sinks.Please stop with the casual vs hardcore nonsense. even casuals needs a challenge once in a while and on ffxiv i consider myself very casual.

And to the so called hardcores.The game have nothin to offer for you yet.The nms are not for you , there is no end game.So stop complaining and wait till hard content is released for you. Until then level the rest of the classes that can make you better.Stop bitching because a bunch of NM not directed to you have been released.They are not end game. This game will not see a end game until 50 cap is raised, maybe by ps3 release.If you cant wait then gtfo .this game have no end game atm.

[Abriael]

This guy right there have to be the biggest fanboy i have ever seen in m entire career as a gamer. a incomplete game to a fully developed game , yet you continue to say this game rocks.
I feel discussing with you is a big waste of time, you are the fanboy equivalent of belgian rolf.

You really can't write a single post without throwing insults at the one you're discussing with, right? Try with actual arguments next time?

And by the way, I'm still very anxious to see you quote where I ever said that this game "rocks" or any equivalent. Unfortunately strawman arguments extremizing my position (since you don't seem to be able to actually counter it in it's original form and content) don't cut it.

Anyone saying ffiv is hard should really try and get some gaming outside of the theme park course.

Unfortunately for your theory, I am an all-round gamer, and play a very wide variety of games, both MMORPGs and Single/multi-player. Try again.
Besides, no one has ever said that FFXIV is "hard". It's in the average. FFXI is, in many aspects, quite a bit easier. Just more timesinkish, thing that has nothing to do with difficulty.

I done everything ffxiv have to offer and i can tell you is easiest mmo ever.Is only a big time sink all together.

Unfortunately you saying that doesn't make it true.

If you really find ffxiv difficult , then anything would be difficult for you.
I am not a hardcore player, i used to be on ffxi , in here i BARELY play at all and i have almost two lv 50.have beatend all nms , and grinded my ass on armorer to 40.Bought almost all maxed gear since glady 40, and never had a hate problem or even a challenge in my entire career in ff14.

Which is pretty much the same in FFXI. The only difference is that acquiering certain things takes more TIME.
TIME != Skill.

Please dont get me started on just how easy is to tank.
If you find tanking difficult , then you are not a casual, you just suck.

Oh the idle boasting. Tanking isn't "difficult" per se. But comparing tanking normal grind mobs between FFXI and FFXIV, it's quite obvious that FFXIV has the more challenging version.

Tanking in FFXI is entirely routinary, the only diversion is throwing in the right weapon skill at the right time (which is, in any case, still routinary, when it's even done, and lately it isn't), and aggro is extremely easy to keep. You don't even need to administer your stamina, as everything is simply a matter of rotational timing.

Tanking in FFXIV is more complex for many reasons:
1: active guard/guard skills, requiring to administer stamina in order to have the shield up at all times
2: more volatile aggro control. The mobs don't stick to the tank with fish glue like they do in FFXI, also, stamina plays a major role, as you need to administer it in order to avoid your taunts' cooldown to be done but having no stamina to use them, which interlinks with point 1.
3: most grinding mobs are more active, have more positional/situational attacks, that require more awareness to be tanked effectively, and require more awareness of the positions of the group, since, just to make an example, a tank that manages to notice that one of the melee is positioning wrongly behind a raptor can save the whole group by changing his own position and turning the mob.

99% of the FFXI grind mobs are a simple tank and spank, with very little depth and nothing else to do than to spam the same routine over and over.
Let's hear your argument, o great tank. "you suck" isn't a valid one.

[Zkieve]

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My time isnt worth answering you.
if you find the game difficult then i stand for what i said before.
Mario 3 is hardz.tanking is hardz.I dont need a degree on internetz to know what is hard and what is not.
I enjoy playing to some extent, but saying tanking isnt a joke here is like saying ffxi wasnt a huge time sink.
Saying 99% of FFXI mobs are tank and spank only comes to show how ignorant you are.

edit; in before you say i want ffxi system or that i agree with visch.
I DONT.
but that doesnt change the facts claiming this game is difficult is completely absurd.

[Argh]

99% of the FFXI grind mobs are a simple tank and spank, with very little depth and nothing else to do than to spam the same routine over and over.

1400+ posts defending this incredibly poor game apparently blinded you from reality. by you saying that ffxiv's battle system is more challenging and more in depth is quite laughable.