About Beta invitation

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Because we want to test it. We want to be the people that help Square find errors and issues so the game can be fantastic on release.

Right, but is that truly where the passion is? I get wanting to test. I do it and have done it for many games. I'm directing this more toward those who don't have testing in mind and look to this as an early preview of things to come. Which, let's face it, tester focused or not everyone has in mind anyway and is undeniably a driving force.

The only difference is, as you pointed out, is to help the company and do what is outlined in the phases and submit feedback. Aside from that, I guess the main question is, as someone who wants to be let into an early preview and doesn't have the drive to test, what then drives them to want it? Cause I've gotta say, an unfinished game, with blacked out lore, and no progression saved doesn't sound incredibly fun to me nor does it sound like something to be upset over not being apart of.

That's all I'm saying.

[Gramul]

Right, but is that truly where the passion is? I get wanting to test. I do it and have done it for many games. I'm directing this more toward those who don't have testing in mind and look to this as an early preview of things to come. Which, let's face it, tester focused or not everyone has in mind anyway and is undeniably a driving force.

The only difference is, as you pointed out, is to help the company and do what is outlined in the phases and submit feedback. Aside from that, I guess the main question is, as someone who wants to be let into an early preview and doesn't have the drive to test, what then drives them to want it? Cause I've gotta say, an unfinished game, with blacked out lore, and no progression saved doesn't sound incredibly fun to me nor does it sound like something to be upset over not being apart of.


That's all I'm saying.

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I've spent 2 years playing and observing this games development and we're at a crucial stage. Being that I'm not on the front line helping square as directly as I could, tears me up. The fact that the game's unfinished or not very fun means I get to have input on helping to guide it to be finished and fun.

I don't know why someone would want to play it for a preview beyond getting a quick feel for the direction of the completed game. Maybe a peek at the new world design, the new lore, you know, the deeply developed things that probably won't be changed. But I can't say I see anyone who's clamoring for that kind of introduction to ARR around here at least.

[LuxLux]

Back in ffxiv 1.0, alpha and beta test, SE said that only people from NA, EU and JP were considered for the alpha test. They said alpha test was just for testing servers and that they wanted to see if other countries had issues with the connection but they were going to check that during the beta test. I got my invitation for the beta test in the first wave of invitations. I live in Chile and I think they will do the same this time.

[Abriael]

Right, but is that truly where the passion is? I get wanting to test. I do it and have done it for many games. I'm directing this more toward those who don't have testing in mind and look to this as an early preview of things to come. Which, let's face it, tester focused or not everyone has in mind anyway and is undeniably a driving force.

Maybe you simply shouldn't make assumptions you can't really make and second guess other people's motives when you don't know them, given that they don't impact you in any way.

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I've spent 2 years playing and observing this games development and we're at a crucial stage. Being that I'm not on the front line helping square as directly as I could, tears me up. The fact that the game's unfinished or not very fun means I get to have input on helping to guide it to be finished and fun.

I don't know why someone would want to play it for a preview beyond getting a quick feel for the direction of the completed game. Maybe a peek at the new world design, the new lore, you know, the deeply developed things that probably won't be changed. But I can't say I see anyone who's clamoring for that kind of introduction to ARR around here at least.

Grey man speaks words of wisdom.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Maybe you simply shouldn't make assumptions you can't really make and second guess other people's motives when you don't know them, given that they don't impact you in any way.

Actually, don't know if you're aware of this, but this is a forum where people share their collective opinions and ideas. Also, people create the discussion by representing their destain for not being invited which then, in return, a response is born!

I proposed a question which is a lot different than an accusation or an assumption as it was regarding others generally. If anything, the assumption is assuming my insinuation. :P

[Velhart]

Right, but is that truly where the passion is? I get wanting to test. I do it and have done it for many games. I'm directing this more toward those who don't have testing in mind and look to this as an early preview of things to come. Which, let's face it, tester focused or not everyone has in mind anyway and is undeniably a driving force.

The only difference is, as you pointed out, is to help the company and do what is outlined in the phases and submit feedback. Aside from that, I guess the main question is, as someone who wants to be let into an early preview and doesn't have the drive to test, what then drives them to want it? Cause I've gotta say, an unfinished game, with blacked out lore, and no progression saved doesn't sound incredibly fun to me nor does it sound like something to be upset over not being apart of.

That's all I'm saying.

I can't speak in terms of other games, but I guess in FFXIV's case, it is hype of the revamp really. Even though people know they are getting only a game in a testing phase, they want to see for themselves how FFXIV 2.0 is a improvement over 1.0.

In terms of other MMO's, I haven't seen such demand to partake in a alpha as this one. Even in WoW, a lot more don't care about testing it's alpha/beta phase of expansions. Mostly because you still have a game to play while waiting. Which is what I think it comes down to, some only play FFXIV and feel deprived of it. Even though you can still technically get on (till the end of this month), just wanting to get back on makes you click in your head "I really want alpha!".

In short, there is a lot of hype of the revamp, and being deprived of FFXIV makes some people want to just play it just for the sake of getting to play something, assuming they are not there to give feedback.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I can't speak in terms of other games, but I guess in FFXIV's case, it is hype of the revamp really. Even though people know they are getting only a game in a testing phase, they want to see for themselves how FFXIV 2.0 is a improvement over 1.0.

In terms of other MMO's, I haven't seen such demand to partake in a alpha as this one. Even in WoW, a lot more don't care about testing it's alpha/beta phase of expansions. Mostly because you still have a game to play while waiting. Which is what I think it comes down to, some only play FFXIV and feel deprived of it. Even though you can still technically get on (till the end of this month), just wanting to get back on makes you click in your head "I really want alpha!".

In short, there is a lot of hype of the revamp, and being deprived of FFXIV makes some people want to just play it just for the sake of getting to play something, assuming they are not there to give feedback.

Hey man, fair enough. I can see that. Also, not to tick anyone off, but I'd like people to call a thing a thing and admit that everyone has a little of this in them even if they go into it to contribute.

People like to talk about how they will be a valuable tester, but they all share a common feeling with those who might not be. As if its a job and as if they had not gone through the in house testing professionals.

Whether you go in and do what is outlined or not, when you are shut out, at least admit it was because you missed and early preview of the experience. Not an accusation, but the truth.

[Velhart]

Hey man, fair enough. I can see that. Also, not to tick anyone off, but I'd like people to call a thing a thing and admit that everyone has a little of this in them even if they go into it to contribute.

People like to talk about how they will be a valuable tester, but they all share a common feeling with those who might not be. As if its a job and as if they had not gone through the in house testing professionals.

Whether you go in and do what is outlined or not, when you are shut out, at least admit it was because you missed and early preview of the experience. Not an accusation, but the truth.

Very true. If I got picked for alpha, it would of been strictly to test the fundamentals of the game and give feedback where needed. I would be lying though if I said I wasn't there to enjoy myself. A lot won't admit it, but I doubt people get angry over not being able to give feedback over just getting to play it in general. In the case of some people in the forums, the frustration seems to come from not getting early look at it, not being able to give their feedback.

What you say is true, I am only giving my theories on why people act the way they do when they are not chosen. I myself have expressed my disappointment, but then I go play something else, haha. Alpha isn't a big deal at all and a lot believe it is. Sure it lets you give feedback on core elements and stress on servers, but my interest lies heavily on balance of classes and content, which only beta can provide.

I have a lot of problems with SE lately that are not all FFXIV related, I could seriously write a short story with all my gripes against them lately (mostly localization and not following up on their announcements), but that is for another place at another time. FFXIV is one of my least concerns with them.

[Abriael]

Hey man, fair enough. I can see that. Also, not to tick anyone off, but I'd like people to call a thing a thing and admit that everyone has a little of this in them even if they go into it to contribute.

People like to talk about how they will be a valuable tester, but they all share a common feeling with those who might not be. As if its a job and as if they had not gone through the in house testing professionals.

Whether you go in and do what is outlined or not, when you are shut out, at least admit it was because you missed and early preview of the experience. Not an accusation, but the truth.

You have a very personal idea of "the truth". Again I have to encourage you not to push your own feelings and ideas of a testing phase on everyone else.

Just because something makes sense *for you* it doesn't mean that everyone else, or even the majority, feels the same way.

I'm quite sure you're not blessed with level 5 mind reading yet.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You have a very personal idea of "the truth". Again I have to encourage you not to push your own feelings and ideas of a testing phase on everyone else.

Just because something makes sense *for you* it doesn't mean that everyone else, or even the majority, feels the same way.

I'm quite sure you're not blessed with level 5 mind reading yet.

I know that you're combating my posts just for the sake of it. That's okay. It would have to be the truth because if not for the fact that people are simply really into the Final Fantasy series, and Final Fantasy XIV specifically, you would not have testers OR people passionate enough to feel discouraged when they are not selected.

We're pointing out what is already evident. I just wish people would stop pretending to go into A Realm Reborn citing it to be a super serious task to contribute and NO WAY ARE THEY GOING TO ENJOY THE GAME NOR ARE THEY EXCITED TO TRY OUT AN EARLY VERSION!

Although, it's highly annoying to have people selected who you know aren't going to contribute a lick, let's just look at why they wanted to participate in the first place. They are interested and anxious to try the game out and preview it. Just like everyone else; including testers. It's slightly hypocritical to bash this type of player.

But also at the same time it's sad from all sides, in my opinion, to be upset in any way from being shut out. They have plenty of testers for their stress testing. Which this alpha is for. Of course, you can contribute your opinions on what little content they have to offer and thoughts on the games controls, but as far as "testing" goes you are basically only outlined to play a really boring early version, content wise, of a realm reborn. It's not worth it. Wait til beta. That's where the money is.