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[Catapult]

This one perhaps deserves more attention.

The goldsmith's quest, F'lhaminn's Flower, has the following gossip from the greatloam growery:

Opyltyl: So it's flowers you want, is it? Drop the pretence. You're embarrassing yourself, and insulting my intelligence. It's obvious the goldsmiths have sent you.
Opyltyl: Our head tender has ordered a ban on the sale of all flowers to any in service of the Eshtaime name.
Opyltyl: There was but one of their kind who respected us and our ways, and he is no more for this world. That Lalafell fiend that styles herself guildmaster there now had him murdered in cold blood. I've no doubt as to that.

So the Botanists suspect an assassination order on Nielle. It is of course speculation on their part, but possibly an informed one?

The cutscenes don't put a date on Nielle's passing, but at the very least measure it in years. Chrysaliswiki has thankfully kept a record of the rest of the non-cutscene text with this juicy bit:

Hnaufrid: Our current guildmaster seems to be getting on well enough with the owner. It was the previous guildmaster who caused all the trouble. They say he conspired with powers in the other nations to topple Lord Lolorito and take Eshtaime's for himself.

EDIT: WE HAVE A DATE FOR UL'DAH'S ECHOS!
From She Walks in Beauty:

Holbubu: Count yourself lucky that you were not here some ten years ago, to suffer the strife which engulfed Eshtaime's Aesthetics.
In our darkest hour, there was a very real danger that the Order of Nald'thal would seize our name and assets.

If we combine this with the assumption that strife concerned involved the assassination of Nielle, the breaking of Heartstrike (in which the Ossuary had invested) and the dismissal of Nielle's father as guildmaster, we could assume that the echoed scenes indeed align with the lead-up to the Battle of Silvertear Skies.

[NoloeTazier]

This one perhaps deserves more attention.

The goldsmith's quest, F'lhaminn's Flower, has the following gossip from the greatloam growery:

So the Botanists suspect an assassination order on Nielle. It is of course speculation on their part, but possibly an informed one?

The cutscenes don't put a date on Nielle's passing, but at the very least measure it in years. Chrysaliswiki has thankfully kept a record of the rest of the non-cutscene text with this juicy bit:


EDIT: WE HAVE A DATE FOR UL'DAH'S ECHOS!
From She Walks in Beauty:

If we combine this with the assumption that strife concerned involved the assassination of Nielle, the breaking of Heartstrike (in which the Ossuary had invested) and the dismissal of Nielle's father as guildmaster, we could assume that the echoed scenes indeed align with the lead-up to the Battle of Silvertear Skies.

Yeah I definitely think it's safe to say the events happened at the time of Battle of Silvertear Skies. The DANGER that Warburton comes to warn Ul'dah about is about the Primals. I still can't say if Warburton or Corguevais are Imperials or what happens to Corguevais after he flees. But I do think probably 75% chance that the Lala Twins "took care" of him. But what happened to the Horn? Is there more than 1 Horn or is it just the 1?

Thanks for the videos Warlock. They're pretty much a perfect match.



A few tidbits a friend of mine translated for me:
The Echo = 過去を見る力 = The Power of Seeing the Past
Minfilia = Minfiria
Ascilia = Ashiria
Corguevais = Kouguvei
Was trying to find a correlation with the name change and stuff but least it's still similar lol

[Warlock]

Yeah I definitely think it's safe to say the events happened at the time of Battle of Silvertear Skies. The DANGER that Warburton comes to warn Ul'dah about is about the Primals. I still can't say if Warburton or Corguevais are Imperials or what happens to Corguevais after he flees. But I do think probably 75% chance that the Lala Twins "took care" of him. But what happened to the Horn? Is there more than 1 Horn or is it just the 1?

Thanks for the videos Warlock. They're pretty much a perfect match.



A few tidbits a friend of mine translated for me:
The Echo = 過去を見る力 = The Power of Seeing the Past
Minfilia = Minfiria
Ascilia = Ashiria
Corguevais = Kouguvei
Was trying to find a correlation with the name change and stuff but least it's still similar lol

This one perhaps deserves more attention.

The goldsmith's quest, F'lhaminn's Flower, has the following gossip from the greatloam growery:

So the Botanists suspect an assassination order on Nielle. It is of course speculation on their part, but possibly an informed one?

The cutscenes don't put a date on Nielle's passing, but at the very least measure it in years. Chrysaliswiki has thankfully kept a record of the rest of the non-cutscene text with this juicy bit:


EDIT: WE HAVE A DATE FOR UL'DAH'S ECHOS!
From She Walks in Beauty:

If we combine this with the assumption that strife concerned involved the assassination of Nielle, the breaking of Heartstrike (in which the Ossuary had invested) and the dismissal of Nielle's father as guildmaster, we could assume that the echoed scenes indeed align with the lead-up to the Battle of Silvertear Skies.

If most of your missions leading up to "White Sands" are set 10 years in the past that would match with Minfilia and Krimm been in their early 20s maybe Minfilia is not the most special Echo user but she had the initiative to start the organization ...maybe the journey she claims some of the members have done that have reached the end and when they came back didn't want to say anything because the answer was too much of horror ..shes not talking about actual physical journey and more like these guys have been Echoing into the past so much from person to person going deeper and deeper they reached the Allagan times...what you guys think about this?

about the horns they are a perfect match but what was a mammet doing with a relic (just like how Y'shtola calls it) so dangerous? did Travanchet sell it to Niellefersne?

[Warlock]

Thanks for the videos Warlock. They're pretty much a perfect match.

I thought the horn had no presence in Gridania at all but i was curious and it just hit me like a slap and remembered a moogle in the Gridania intro blows a horn to calm down the treant as well...and BAM! it is indeed the same horn ...so what the hell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...6EAwZO8#t=451s @ 7:31
also found this small pic i can't make out from which Limsa quest it is the CS but this Mi'qote is apparently using said horn as well maybe i'm wrong on this one..

About the horn been around Gridania is proof for my theory that the shadow floating through the forest mentioned in an early quest by lancer been ambushed was in fact an Ascian

[Vilhem]

I thought the horn had no presence in Gridania at all but i was curious and it just hit me like a slap and remembered a moogle in the Gridania intro blows a horn to calm down the treant as well...and BAM! it is indeed the same horn ...so what the hell?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...6EAwZO8#t=451s @ 7:31
also found this small pic i can't make out from which Limsa quest it is the CS but this Mi'qote is apparently using said horn as well maybe i'm wrong on this one..

About the horn been around Gridania is proof for my theory that the shadow floating through the forest mentioned in an early quest by lancer been ambushed was in fact an Ascian

That's the intro cutscene for Aleport Hamlet

Also, the limsa and Uldah horn look similar, but the Limsa one is a bit smaller, so I wonder if there is a family of them?

[Warlock]

That's the intro cutscene for Aleport Hamlet

Also, the limsa and Uldah horn look similar, but the Limsa one is a bit smaller, so I wonder if there is a family of them?

Ul'dah one is been held by a tiny mammet that's why it looks bigger but it isn't ..they are a perfect match same as the one been held by the moogle

Need Noloe to show up to take the picture out lol i wonder how you do that...