CG Midlander

[Sakasa]

Just one of the succubi mobs. Possibly a Beastman tribe since there's different versions/jobs.

When i first saw the Concept way back when i thought it might be redesigns for Ascian but when they added the rear shots and the two additional concepts making it more wing like then tattered cloak it just makes the most sense to be succubi like Noloe said.

[Orophin]

When i first saw the Concept way back when i thought it might be redesigns for Ascian but when they added the rear shots and the two additional concepts making it more wing like then tattered cloak it just makes the most sense to be succubi like Noloe said.

I think the concept art filename was even titled "Succubus" on all the fansites that got them, so I didn't think it was a big surprise.

[Warlock]

When i first saw the Concept way back when i thought it might be redesigns for Ascian but when they added the rear shots and the two additional concepts making it more wing like then tattered cloak it just makes the most sense to be succubi like Noloe said.

You paid special attention to their rear shot didn't cha

[NoloeTazier]

Update on Ul'dah.

• The reason Corgeuvais was in the Nanawa mines: He was trying to mine for gems and ore to sell to repay for his blunder at the Parade.
• The reason Corguevais was at Black Brush when Ascilia arrived to "seek vengeance on her father's enemy": He was preparing for his exile, exiled Ul'dahns live at Black Brush.
• Niellefresne is only shown in Echos because he's ALREADY dead/in his stage of frozen death.
• Corguevais may have had a hand in Nielle's murder.

  Corguevais: I therefore humbly ask that you place me in charge of settling his affairs.
  The said affairs could be referring to the Vengeance orders that Thaumaturge carry out for the recently deceased. If Warburton had Vengeance orders then Corgeuvais could have been the one to carry them out, not necessarily being the one to stab Niellefresne, but being the one to set them in motion. Of course if an exile isn't granted these permissions then it's null and void. Theory still doesn't answer what Nielle saw.

Quote from Warburton prior to the Parade:

Warburton: There's a hamlet nearby I'm trying to reach. Might there be somewhere my coin could find a chocobo to see me there?

I almost want to say that he wants to travel to Little Ala Mhigo, but looking at quests I can't help but speculate (to go along with my theory that the Ul'dah Mainstoryline Quests are years before the present --1572) that refugees do not show up in Ul'dah until a few years before 1572, enough time for Raubahn Aldynn to win in the Coliseum and come into power. So which hamlet does Warburton want to visit and why when he's suppose to have valuable information?

Still no answer to what attacked Ascilia at Black Brush upon her arrival, was said to be a gigantic beast.

Ultimate Super OMG Theory:


Ascilia is Minfilia. Their names are VERY similar. They both have the same light blue eyes and blonde hair. The theory that some years have passed since the Warburton/Corguevais/Niellefresne, is strengthened with Ascilia as a Hyur aging into Minfilia. Damielliot is a sickly Elezen, and Elezen age very slowly so he does not age as rapidly as a Hyur does.

When you bump into Minfilia outside the Thaumaturge guild, you talk to her and she responds with:

Minfilia: I had not expected to see you here. Have you come to pay your respects to someone.
Minfilia: Have I seen the bard Thancred?
Minfilia: Why do you ask? Has he come here?

She remembers Thancred from her younger days and it clearly shows that Thancred at the time was not in Ul'dah, lending more credit to everything being an Echo of the past. Also after she answers you, the Echo begins and Thancred appears. There are 2 people, whom both have witnessed the Echo and not counting Niellefresne because he's dead, who respond to you during your Echo jumps within the Echo: Thancred and Ascilia. So the 2 people who have a history of dealing with the Power of the Echo, both have the ability to sense and interact with you inside the Echo.

/deepbreath. Then in the Faded to White quest Tataru says this:

Tataru: You found another who you believe saw Niellefresne's last moments in the undercroft?

We saw what happened because we were able to Echo jump within the Echo to see what happened through the eyes of Ascilia and the Gem within Heartstrike.

/bow

[Catapult]

3. You guys hit the proverbial nail on its proverbial head in your speculation regarding what happens with the Midlander. As was stated above, all three have the power of the Echo, allowing them to experience the past, interact with it, but ultimately not change the outcome of anything important (the wind created by a battleaxe swing will not start a hurricane in Garlemald). While sifting through guildleves, our well-groomed Midlander is flung back into another person’s memory about a simple job to kill a morbol. The job ultimately takes an unexpected twist that ends in the party witnessing one of the most spectacular battles of the Sixth Astral Era.

Ok, got a question for you Ferne, because I'm not believing the part I've bolded up there holds completely true. I'm going to be quoting the Gridanian plotlines for Sundered Skies through to Beckon of the Elementals. (For those who want to follow along, I've dropped the entire text log here, including highlighting a few localisation mistakes in red - I haven't brought them up here since I suspect they are now moot pending ARR.)

In all of this, I'm presuming there aren't any localisation or plot errors, although Ferne is welcome to correct me if there are. After all, this is why the LOC forum exists. (My favourite error was when the Vans once referred to eikons and Primals. )

In Sundered Skies, when you arrive in Gridania, this is said to us outside of the echo by Farrimond:

Farrimond: Did you see the darkened skies? The streaking lights and the falling comets? I know not what to make of it all...

This tells us that our arrival in Gridania comes shortly after the sky-darkening starshower that is witnessed inside an echo at the very end of Beckon of the Elementals, recently enough for people like Farrimond to still be talking about it. So what this means is that the cleansing ritual to try and rescue Krimm, while also supposedly cleansing Yda and Papalymo, has already taken place.

Next up, we have these quotes outside of the echo. These are the ones that refer to Fye.

Hermit of the Wood: A message for Fye? Well, I'll be damned.

Sansa: Taveth saw a moogle in the forest. It asked him to give a message to Fye.
Ryd: Really!?
Sansa: I see her in the forest sometimes, too. And I hear the grownups talking about her. They say Fye is sad because the elementals are real.
Fufucha: Shush now, children. Brother E-Sumi has come to visit, so be on your best behavior.
E-Sumi-Yan: I believe you were just talking about Fye, were you not?
Powle: That's right. Taveth talked to her in the wood.
Fufucha: Fye!? She spoke to you!?
E-Sumi-Yan: The Twelveswood is ill at ease now. The elementals are frightened. There are many outsiders, and wildlings besides. Yet I fear these are merely pieces to a far greater puzzle.
E-Sumi-Yan: Pray tell me, Taveth, did Fye ask anything of you?
E-Sumi-Yan: I see. So she wishes to ask the moogles if a wildling can be returned from the forest's grasp...

Fye is understood to be wandering the forest, searching for Dunstan, wanting for him to be reclaimed from being a wildling. It seems most of the people in Gridania haven't even seen her recently. They think I've been talking to her in the forest, rather than in echos around town.

Pudgy Moogle: But there's more. The elementals have something to ask of you, as well.
Pudgy Moogle: Tell the Hyur girl, the one named Fye, to stop wandering the wood, kupo.

Again, same situation. Although it's also plausible the elementals know you have the echo.

Fufucha: You are one of the few who have befriended Fye, after all. And that is no small task.
Fufucha: What? What did you just say!?
Fufucha: The elementals asked you to talk to Fye? They asked you!?

The entire affair is a big deal.

Lewin: I hear it told the elementals have asked you to deliver a message─a message to Fye. It seems they've entrusted you with the task of saving her.

So it seem Fye's welfare is at stake as she wanders the wood.

O-App-Pesi: To this day, his woodsin continues to grow and fester, and with it the elementals' desire to bring about his end. Truly, I have rarely seen them so wroth─and yet he will not relent.
Lewin: Dunstan, he is named, and it is his sister Fye he seeks. No doubt he means only to help her.
O-App-Pesi: My men tell me that you have already made the acquaintance of Fye. This is why I have summoned you.
O-App-Pesi: We need your strength, Taveth. For Fye's sake, and for Dunstan's. If you should see anything queer in the Twelveswood, make it known at once.

I'm assuming when they say Dunstan brought down the hedge, they mean when Yda&Papalymo arrived, but that's not the point. The point is that to this day, Dunstan and Fye are still searching for each other. And Dunstan is still rogue.

Lewin: How have we not found the bastard? We've combed every bloody ilm of the Twelveswood, yet the unrest of the elementals continues.
O-App-Pesi: The fault lies with me, I fear. It was I who was unable to deter Dunstan from entering the forest. Still, I beg of you, Lewin, leave Fye to me.
Lewin: Hm, you? Ah, yes, I suppose Miounne did mention you might come stumbling along. So, you have a mind to take part in a ranging, do you?
Lewin: Well, I'm in no position to refuse help, however meager. Dunstan will stop short of nothing to get what he wants. He must be found!

ie: Dunstan was at the grand rite, but then ran away again.

O-App-Pesi: And now it is I who asks a favor of you. Even if found, Dunstan and Fye will not be out of harm's way. Nor will we. The wrath of the elementals will continue. It is best that they leave Gridania and the Twelveswood altogether. Please, Taveth, convince them of this.

O-App describes the situation as if the purification rite on them was a complete and utter failure and Dunstan is still seeping in woodsin .

A'naidjaa: I'm sorry, you're searching for whom? Fye?
A'naidjaa: Please, do not speak that name to me. Such a tragedy, what that lass has been put through. I do not wish to be reminded.

Same thing. Utter tragedy.

Miounne: Taveth, there is word of a commotion over at Stillglade Fane. Haven't been to see for myself, but I've heard talk of wildlings.

ie: Dunstan has just arrived in town. While he may be cooperating with the Conjurers, it is clear the populous do not recognise him as cleansed - Fye certainly doesn't since she is reportedly searching the wood for him.

Ok, now things start getting complicated. This one is inside the echo, but not observable in a cutscene, just after Dunstan has been brought in by Yda and Papalymo:

Fye: Let me in! I have to see him! I have to see Khrimm!
Fye: You'll help me, won't you, Taveth? Find Brother E-Sumi, or Brother O-App. Tell them I'm here!
Fye: I have to see Khrimm. I have to talk to him. To tell him I...I'm sorry.
Silky-haired Conjurer: Calm down, child! You can't see him now. It's too dangerous.
Disconcerted Conjurer: You cannot pass, Fye. Trust us, it is for your own good.

It is clear to me that the Conjurers have, up until the present day, thought it best to keep Fye away from her brother, Dunstan, very much oblivious of what she could do for him.

Back to present day:

O-App-Pesi: We are thinking to have Dunstan here take part in the purification rites―secretly, of course.
O-App-Pesi: By all rights, he should not even be in Gridania. Should the townsfolk discover he is planning to attend the ceremony, it would cause an outcry. His mere presence would seem to them to invite disaster.
O-App-Pesi: But if he is present, then there is a chance of he and Fye meeting. And that, Taveth, depends entirely upon you.
O-App-Pesi: The rites are about to commence.
O-App-Pesi: Taveth, should you see Fye again, please tell her. Tell her that her brother is waiting for her.

Policy change. And more importantly, Fye has not yet met Dunstan.

Now this is where I believe we start changing history's significant events.

Echo time - These quotes are from the Grand Rite sequence.

Fye: What's that? Dunstan? My brother? He's here!?

She genuinely did not know. Without your intervention, they would not meet.
And then there is this, after you're back from the echo-in-an-echo where you witness Krimm having the chat with his parents and setting light to the Oath Tree, all the while Papalymo wonders "How in the bloody hells did we get here!?".

Fye: Dunstan! Dunstan!
E-Sumi-Yan: He is safe, child, thanks to you. That mask you made had a great deal of love in it.
E-Sumi-Yan: And miracles do occur, it would seem.
Khrimm: What...? What happened?
Fye: Khrimm!
Yda: Please tell me you just saw all that, too.
Yda: It wasn't a dream, because I don't dream. Or at least I never remember them if I do.
Yda: Maybe it was a vision. Like the kind the cultists say you see if you eat moogle flesh during a full moon.
Yda: Pinch me, Papalymo. I do believe I may be dead again.
Papalymo: No, this is no great beyond, Yda. It was the past we saw. Twelve be good, it was the past! By some strange power...or someone's.

Which means that, before you have even arrived in Gridania, the following has now happened:
- Fye has met Dunstan
- Krimm's AND Dunstan's woodsin has been cleansed
- You have demonstrated the echo to Papalymo and Yda who previously weren't aware of it.

It goes on to make you wonder why Fye and Dunstan would still be out searching for each other for the whole first four quests of the Main Scenario.

But you, Ferne, have told us that the echo doesn't allow us to change the outcome of anything important.

[Warlock]

~snip~

Only problem with this theory would be.. she not remembering you at all the same way she remembers Tanchred.
But other than that sounds like a possible mindblown theory indeed

[Catapult]

Ultimate Super OMG Theory:


Ascilia is Minfilia. Their names are VERY similar. They both have the same light blue eyes and blonde hair. The theory that some years have passed since the Warburton/Corguevais/Niellefresne, is strengthened with Ascilia as a Hyur aging into Minfilia. Damielliot is a sickly Elezen, and Elezen age very slowly so he does not age as rapidly as a Hyur does.

When you bump into Minfilia outside the Thaumaturge guild, you talk to her and she responds with:
She remembers Thancred from her younger days and it clearly shows that Thancred at the time was not in Ul'dah, lending more credit to everything being an Echo of the past. Also after she answers you, the Echo begins and Thancred appears. There are 2 people, whom both have witnessed the Echo and not counting Niellefresne because he's dead, who respond to you during your Echo jumps within the Echo: Thancred and Ascilia. So the 2 people who have a history of dealing with the Power of the Echo, both have the ability to sense and interact with you inside the Echo.

/deepbreath. Then in the Faded to White quest Tataru says this: We saw what happened because we were able to Echo jump within the Echo to see what happened through the eyes of Ascilia and the Gem within Heartstrike.

/bow

I do like this theory, although it does open a new can of worms about the nature of the echo.

[Warlock]

I do like this theory, although it does open a new can of worms about the nature of the echo.

Does Ascilia and Minfilia mean two different things too like that Roegadyn in the Marauder quests? lol

And i agree with you.. we are able to change events through Echo i think we get the full package of abilities with the Echo stuff not even Minfilia knows about

[NoloeTazier]

Does Ascilia and Minfilia mean two different things too like that Roegadyn in the Marauder quests? lol

And i agree with you.. we are able to change events through Echo i think we get the full package of abilities with the Echo stuff not even Minfilia knows about

Glad you brought that up, that gives more precedent to people changing their name. I looked up ASC and MINF but I cannot find anything, a big reach is ASC meaning Altered-State of Consciousness lol

[Jacien]

I don't think Ferne ever went into detail on Hyur naming conventions. Only Roegadyn and Lalafell.