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    Quote Originally Posted by Catapult View Post

    - 15 years ago: Ala Mhigo conquered. Advance halted by appearance of a primal. Garlemald consolidates occupation and digs in.
    - 10 years ago: The battle for Silvertear Skies. Midgardsomr bites the dust and opens the floodgates for the domestic primals.
    This is something I've been hoping we'd get some clarity on by now. I'd always figured it was a given that Midgardsormr was to what this was in reference.

    Now, from what I can tell, the armada that fought Midgardsormr was not part of either legion that we know. The XIVth took Ala Mhigo, but Gaius van Baelsar did this without much military power. He incited civil unrest and turned the people against their own system, taking power himself as Viceroy in the name of the Empire after it collapsed.

    The children of Ala Mhigo were indoctrinated to the Garleans' cause, and 15 years later it is they who make up the majority of Nael van Darnus' VIIth.

    Neither of these legions would have any use for a flagship as strong as Agrius at this time; it seems most likely to me that it was a long-range armada from Garlemald actual, who took Ala Mhigo as part of its advance before having to halt said advance to to the "unanticipated appearance of a primal" shortly after."

    If you add all this up, does it not say that the original advance on Eorzea was still on in 1562 when The Battle of Silvertear Skies took place? Which means that it was halted after this date?

    Was the Battle of Silvertear Skies not the last major advancement of the original campaign?

    So what's up?

    The only answer I can put together is that, when Midgardsormr first died, the rapid release of aether was capitalized on by the entities (primals) themselves. They're conscious beings, after all, and the Sylphs say that they live (not beyond the aether, but) amongst the aether. Is it possible that when Midgardsormr died, these entities were able to take enough of the escaping aether to temporarily form in our world, but without sufficient corporeality to interact with it on a level enough to consume more of it, thus bring required to be limited in capacity until the Paragon arrives?

    If this isn't the case, I don't know what else can be said unless SE is deliberately reconning Midgardsormr's primal status.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yenrii View Post
    Paragon unless he pulls a Severus Snape and works for both sides.. (spoilers). Summoning primals seems to fly in the face of everything the Archons stand for
    That's the part of the idea that I struggle with most. I've been doing some reading about aether and the newly released information seems to mesh with the old perfectly to indicate that we're going back to the classics. It seems that we're going back to the Final Fantasy standard that the origin of all reality is The Crystal - that it itself is the creation of all aether - and that aether is the lifeblood of all that exists through and because of it.

    The moogle primal fight says this best, where we're told that Good King Moggle Mog XII must be defeated to return the power of the crystal back to the realm so that it can nourish the land. Louisoix's statements during the end directly reflect these views, showing his concern that the over-draw of aether from the land could be detrimental ... and Mor Dhona turning into a wasteland after Midgardsormr's death pops the cork is a good example of what he's afraid of.

    But does that make it against the Circle of Knowing's principles? No. Summoning is a means to an end and they're perfectly okay with it. The entire point of Living on a Prayer and the End of an Era cinematic was to summon twelve at once.
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    Last edited by Anonymoose; 11-25-2012 at 01:54 PM.
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