CG Midlander

[Warlock]

That's exactly what makes me think that Midgardsormr was originally intended to be the identified threat and SE is backing it up a little. Garlemald did bring in the big guns... and sailed it directly to Midgardsormr. Assume it was any other primal and try to make sense of it. Doesn't matter which - even an imaginary one. What reason would they have to assume they'd need to send the Agrius to take Mor Dhona in case the move angered... Titan? or Ramuh? or Ifrit?



This is no longer true. It's been stated that the Empire faced primals on the other continents on their new official site.

EDIT: "The eastern nations were the first to feel the newborn empire's mighty fist. It was during this campaign that the emperor witnessed firsthand the destruction wrought by the primals―an experience that led to an imperial mandate for their annihilation."



It would give them access to commune with it, to worship it and receive its guidance, maybe even some sort of blessings via interdimensional medium, who knows. However, the primals don't want communication, they want Aether Snacks and corporeal form - that's what would take being fed a lot more aether.

What I'm saying is that maybe the initial burst of aether from the broken seal was able to give them a little taste of what it is they're after - and that, while I'm not propagating this as a theory, it is the only thing I can think of to justify the original intent of saying "the unexpected appearance of a primal didn't mean Midgardsormr.

Let's not forget, I could be totally wrong here. Much like how all it took was the concept of a "seal" on Mor Dhona to constrain us before, there could be a simple missing puzzle piece that we haven't been given yet. Maybe Ala Mhigo had a primal that we haven't been told about yet - maybe it was worshipped by a beast tribe we haven't seen yet. We simply don't know.

It just seems odd to me that information from the very beginning only meshes about 75% with the information we have now, barring a missing puzzle piece, unless there's a clever retcon in place that just needs a little frayed-end clipping.

That is even more confusing ....Long before Midgarsormr breaking the seal the Emperor witnessed more than one Primal and their destructive power .... north and east of Garlemald Could that be Shiva? but then again it was more than one...Ifrit and Titan manifested at the seal break so not them. This leads me to think again that Louisoix's final act will make the Aether realm and Hydaelyn one.

[Anonymoose]

Could that be Shiva?

It could be literally anyone. For instance, we know that Titan and Leviathan were summoned long ago (and they will be again), but we saw Titan at the Midgardsormr incident. Literally any primordial entity that had built up enough influence in our world, at any point in time ever, to be considered a worshiped deity is up for grabs.

Back when they said it was "a primal" that stopped their advance, the information was so succinct and matter-of-fact that I had assumed we were meant to have the answer. It wasn't teasing us with anything, so I figured, "Hey, Midgardsormr." But now we know that this isn't true--and yet there is no limit to the alternatives.

Unless it's something integral to an ARR storyline (in which case it should be kept secret), I feel like some kind of articulation would help their origin stories. A lot of us are going to remember 1.X and use it when trying to fill in in ARR's open ends. Unless the holes still left in 1.X are meant to be closed later, it's probably better not to leave us to our own devices to do it...

This thread is proof enough of that. Thal's balls, lads, I'M proof of that.

That is even more confusing

FARAM. <raises glass>

[Warlock]

It could be literally anyone.

Ok so lets say it could be any of all the Primals we know about and maybe some that we don''t know about that participated in all these attacks to the Empire.

Why did they stop attacking? And what made them attack the Empire in the first place? I guess Primals do w/e they want if they all are as maniac as Garuda , but Primals sure liked to hang out at the norther part of Hydaelyn. Do you think the Paragons had to do with it?

[Anonymoose]

and maybe some that we don't know about

Oh, I have no doubt about that. I think the primals are going to be like pokemon - we start on this island and we know about these ones... and then we go to another island and the PrimalDex goes apes#!t with things Professor Cid forgot to tell us.

And what made them attack the Empire in the first place? ... Do you think the Paragons had to do with it?

Based on what we know of primals so far, I figure it was self-defense. Primals live in their own isolated spheres of influence and, to them, that is all that there is. They might have ambitions of taking it all, they might dream of being the One True God, but let's face it, Ifrit gives a grand total of 0 Damns what's going on in Limsa Lominsa right now. You have to wander into Amalj'aa territory before he starts blowing blue flames at you. If the Amal aggressively expand later, I'm sure he'll burn that bridge when he gets to it.

The Empire, by taking all territories of those lands, inevitably would wander into foreign primal territory (inevitable now that we know there are foreign primals, anyway). I'm sure they just didn't take too kindly to that, and the damage they dealt to the occupation made the Emperor realize that as long as they're around, they're going to be a pain in his throne.

[Warlock]

Oh, I have no doubt about that. I think the primals are going to be like pokemon - we start on this island and we know about these ones... and then we go to another island and the PrimalDex goes apes#!t with things Professor Cid forgot to tell us.



Based on what we know of primals so far, I figure it was self-defense. Primals live in their own isolated spheres of influence and, to them, that is all that there is. They might have ambitions of taking it all, they might dream of being the One True God, but let's face it, Ifrit gives a grand total of 0 Damns what's going on in Limsa Lominsa right now. You have to wander into Amalj'aa territory before he starts blowing blue flames at you. If the Amal aggressively expand later, I'm sure he'll burn that bridge when he gets to it.

The Empire, by taking all territories of those lands, inevitably would wander into foreign primal territory (inevitable now that we know there are foreign primals, anyway). I'm sure they just didn't take too kindly to that, and the damage they dealt to the occupation made the Emperor realize that as long as they're around, they're going to be a pain in his throne.

What is clear tho is that none controls the Primals none tells them what to do....i assume if you summon one with the purpose of them crushing an enemy (to use them as a weapon) you have to go hide under a rock and let it go "wtf? RAWR!" on everything that moves.

[Anonymoose]

What is clear tho is that none controls the Primals none tells them what to do....i assume if you summon one with the purpose of them crushing an enemy (to use them as a weapon) you have to go hide under a rock and let it go "wtf? RAWR!" on everything that moves.

Yeah, pretty much. It gives you gifts and you worship it and give it aether and you hope your interests align. Unless, of course, you can infuse the progenitor essence of a primal into something more malleable... such as a machine... In that case you might be able to get a pet primal of your very own to name Alexander and dominate the world with.

Would be interesting if that's what Garlemald was up to.

However, I'm more interested in the past until ARR arrives.

[Catapult]

Silvertear falls is regulalrly discussed with references to its aetherial importance to Eorzea, not Hydaelyn.

It could stand to reason that it is only the centre point for the aether in Aldenard and that the other continents thus have their own localised networks. This would explain the presence of primals outside Eorzea that the Empire has encountered.

Although I'm still stuck on the one that appeared in/around Ala Mhigo, a part of Eorzea/Aldenard. It wouldn't be Midgardsomr since Midgardsomr is not a primal.

[Warlock]

Another thing is the relationship between the Primals in FF14 lore....in FF11 they were buddies to some extent they fought together to protect the world once, in FF14 they battle to see who has the biggest e-peen they compete for servants ,greedy and with a huge ego at least the ones we have seen so far, maybe some of the new Primals will bring in the wisdom like Odin. I daydream of the Primals fighting the Empire together that would be sooo cool

[HiirNoivl]

But does that make it against the Circle of Knowing's principles? No. Summoning is a means to an end and they're perfectly okay with it. The entire point of Living on a Prayer and the End of an Era cinematic was to summon twelve at once.

I have a question... If the Twelve are summoned primals, why didn't the Circle of Knowing go all dark-n-evil when they were summoning them. o.O/

[Soukyuu]

Although I'm still stuck on the one that appeared in/around Ala Mhigo, a part of Eorzea/Aldenard. It wouldn't be Midgardsomr since Midgardsomr is not a primal.

It could have been Midgardsomr after all. Think of it like this: You know Primals exist. You encounter a being that is totally overwhelming and crashes your greatest floating citadel. Mistaking that being for a Primal could easily happen, I mean, we thought he was a Primal too, so chances are, it was just a misunderstanding that wasn't cleared and was then written into the history books by Eorzean historians.