My heart just fell totally...

[A_Hortensia]

We'll the console crowd which aren't MMO people for the most part are very young wether it's the 360 or a PS3 they have little respect for anything or anyone and that's a sad fact.

No, that's something you just made up; has almost nothing to do with the topic.

I started FFXI shortly before PS2 launch, and then transferred over to my PS2 once I got the hardware.
I had just turned fourteen. I had never played an MMO before. I was just a Final Fantasy enthusiast.
I swear I had a better reading comprehension than most individuals I encountered, regardless of their age.
Having never played an MMO and just being a huge FF fan didn't ever occur to me as any kind of disadvantage. I had a desire for learning and knowledge. I wanted to get better, I printed the same amount of synthing recipes off of Allakhazam as everyone else.

Not having an MMO background I think actually made my life easier in FFXI. I had played the earlier Final Fantasy titles. I rationalized XI as FF1, with FF5's job system: multiplayer. I played FF9, and FF4-6 multiplayer on several occaisons.. XI was largely the same thing except with more players. I had that old fashioned "grind to succeed" mindset (that interestingly enough I acquired from other titles I didn't know Tanaka worked on.).

I befriended a HUGE quantity of like minded people over all of my years(PS2, PC, 360, whatever). FFXI and FFXIV remain to be the only MMOs I've ever played, and I just turned 23 and I'm still paying for XI. The point isn't that I'm awesome. (I already know that.) My point is that I wasn't an exception. No one should have xenophobia towards console anything, certainly and especially not when it comes to a Final Fantasy title.

There was never a problem with "PS2 people vs PC people". Amazingly enough, humans were still human regardless of what method they were experiencing the game. They had the same capacities to be intelligent or dumb, rude or polite.
Teenagers like myself both played on PC or PS2, college aged young adults played on both, grown people with all their ducks in a row played on both systems.

The XI PS2 limitations might have been a myth, or a lie, who knows. They're supposedly making the new expansion for the JP PS2 users also. Someone said "PS2 limitations" back in 05-06. Probably not the case since Treasures, WotG, 6 add-ons, and a whole bunch of updates have been added since the old days.

Games that run better on one console vs another, is usually due to the software company not making the port correctly, and has very little to do with the actual system itself. For every instance of PS3 doing it better, there's an instance where 360 does it better, and another instance where they're both pretty much the same. Keeping that in mind, I know a lot of PS1 and PS2 games that play better than their own systems than they do on the PS3.

They are building everything XIV exclusively to the PS3. There won't be any limitations or problems because they aren't just making a port of the PC software, they are totally custom building all their content to play perfectly and perform differently. As far as I'm aware, different engines, different everything, same servers.

Finally on the topic again..

This system is to alleviate the frustration of being stuck on content, and spending all day idle in town shouting for just 3 more members. Players who didn't play XI, have it a lot easier than they think.. but it's going to get worse, and it's not good enough.

FFXIV: "Oh, I've been shouting for this mission for 3 weeks now and no one wants to help me. "
FFXI: "I've need to do the CoP Ouryu fight for about 2 years now... "

Both of these problems need to go away, and this system alleviates that "maybe", if you find yourself in that situation. It's not going to make the game easier for anyone, it's just going to alleviate the stress of wasting hours of your time doing nothing. Linkshells, static parties, and server community should still be strong.

You ever take a huge amount of family members to a theme park and you waste most of your time deciding what to do next or where to go, and you wind up not getting anything you wanted done?: Final Fantasy XI. (XIV also)

[Forgo]

No, that's something you just made up; has almost nothing to do with the topic.

I started FFXI shortly before PS2 launch, and then transferred over to my PS2 once I got the hardware.
I had just turned fourteen. I had never played an MMO before. I was just a Final Fantasy enthusiast.
I swear I had a better reading comprehension than most individuals I encountered, regardless of their age.
Having never played an MMO and just being a huge FF fan didn't ever occur to me as any kind of disadvantage. I had a desire for learning and knowledge. I wanted to get better, I printed the same amount of synthing recipes off of Allakhazam as everyone else.

Not having an MMO background I think actually made my life easier in FFXI. I had played the earlier Final Fantasy titles. I rationalized XI as FF1, with FF5's job system: multiplayer. I played FF9, and FF4-6 multiplayer on several occaisons.. XI was largely the same thing except with more players. I had that old fashioned "grind to succeed" mindset (that interestingly enough I acquired from other titles I didn't know Tanaka worked on.).

I befriended a HUGE quantity of like minded people over all of my years(PS2, PC, 360, whatever). FFXI and FFXIV remain to be the only MMOs I've ever played, and I just turned 23 and I'm still paying for XI. The point isn't that I'm awesome. (I already know that.) My point is that I wasn't an exception. No one should have xenophobia towards console anything, certainly and especially not when it comes to a Final Fantasy title.

There was never a problem with "PS2 people vs PC people". Amazingly enough, humans were still human regardless of what method they were experiencing the game. They had the same capacities to be intelligent or dumb, rude or polite.
Teenagers like myself both played on PC or PS2, college aged young adults played on both, grown people with all their ducks in a row played on both systems.

The XI PS2 limitations might have been a myth, or a lie, who knows. They're supposedly making the new expansion for the JP PS2 users also. Someone said "PS2 limitations" back in 05-06. Probably not the case since Treasures, WotG, 6 add-ons, and a whole bunch of updates have been added since the old days.

Games that run better on one console vs another, is usually due to the software company not making the port correctly, and has very little to do with the actual system itself. For every instance of PS3 doing it better, there's an instance where 360 does it better, and another instance where they're both pretty much the same. Keeping that in mind, I know a lot of PS1 and PS2 games that play better than their own systems than they do on the PS3.

They are building everything XIV exclusively to the PS3. There won't be any limitations or problems because they aren't just making a port of the PC software, they are totally custom building all their content to play perfectly and perform differently. As far as I'm aware, different engines, different everything, same servers.

Finally on the topic again..

This system is to alleviate the frustration of being stuck on content, and spending all day idle in town shouting for just 3 more members. Players who didn't play XI, have it a lot easier than they think.. but it's going to get worse, and it's not good enough.

FFXIV: "Oh, I've been shouting for this mission for 3 weeks now and no one wants to help me. "
FFXI: "I've need to do the CoP Ouryu fight for about 2 years now... "

Both of these problems need to go away, and this system alleviates that "maybe", if you find yourself in that situation. It's not going to make the game easier for anyone, it's just going to alleviate the stress of wasting hours of your time doing nothing. Linkshells, static parties, and server community should still be strong.

You ever take a huge amount of family members to a theme park and you waste most of your time deciding what to do next or where to go, and you wind up not getting anything you wanted done?: Final Fantasy XI. (XIV also)

I was kinda on the same boat when i started FFXI but i started on ps2 and was a loner there for awhile but people back then where nicer then now but most are people that stayed and became vets.

Which is what i think will happen here, people will get the mindset that they made this far and want to keep going up but don't take time for the new guys popping in, which we all where at some time ago. Though with ARR we are all new guys again just with higher jobs and some clue on whats going but that don't mean the real new guys should be left behind

[IndigoDarkwolf]

You ever take a huge amount of family members to a theme park and you waste most of your time deciding what to do next or where to go, and you wind up not getting anything you wanted done?: Final Fantasy XI. (XIV also)

My family had a simple solution for that: Show up at the beginning of the day, do a walk around the entire theme park, and just stop at every ride anyone wanted to ride on.

To be fair, each of the LSes I'd join would try to organize some similar concept. My "join date" notwithstanding, I didn't really fall in love with this game until the beginning of this past September, which meant that I, for one, was highly eager to participate in these groups each time one my LSes would try to organize one.

The problem was with misaligned play schedules amongst the few players who were willing/able to help progress players through mission content, compared to the relatively large number of players who would rather try to finish grinding their Culinarian to 50 so they can have all-50s going into ARR, or PL their dual-boxing alt/mule while leveling was easier, or some other task. And that's fine, it just meant that we'd put together whoever could play and go shout in Ul'Dah... for an hour. Or two. That last part could definitely stand to see improvement, so I'm looking forward to a X-realm quest queue, especially if it can keep parties together.

[A_Hortensia]

My family had a simple solution for that: Show up at the beginning of the day, do a walk around the entire theme park, and just stop at every ride anyone wanted to ride on.

Definitely, and I'm a rare case of trying to help everyone through the all the stories; through-out of all my linkshells. (Again, probably because I still haven't fully shifted away from viewing XI and XIV as FF games and not as MMOs.)

Just for clarity, I'm not bashing XI or XIV at all.. I was just trying to make the statement that..

Final Fantasy Online = Disney World. I enjoy both a great deal.
I wouldn't want to stand around doing nothing in Disney World and not have any fun.

Roller Coasters have single rider lines for the same reasons SE wants to implement this function.