Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[Nero]

these payers who got them so fast got all their seals way in advance of the relic quest becoming available which is really the longest part of the whole thing. The fact that some people got them as fast as they did is really a testament to their ability, not to how easy it is. Lastly, you do not even have one so instead of going by what other people have said and quoting it for truth you should really wait till after you try to complain.

Oh, i didnt include Hamlet, i'm just talking about the Relic Reborn-Quest itself. And i stated that allready weeks ago, i didnt quote anything.

Wait wait.. you are saying that i dont have a relic actually means, that i wouldnt be able to complete it because its soooooo hard? No, sorry it is because i got my Hamlet Seals late and didnt care for the last month of playing 1.0. I had other Goals to achieve i.e. Luminary's. Quest's. All Faction leve's, Darnus. And also.. running around and saying that "if person xy dont have achieved this and that, implies that he cant do it", is retarded and does not really show any grade of intelligence.

It is like i would run around and say everyone who does not have beat me in Achievement's is not able to do it, because he does not have the Skill. ( This would actually include almost every single poster in this Thread ). But no i can't be like that, since it's actually straight wrong and has nothing to do with the Topic itself.

I would really like to take the 10-15 people in this thread saying that it is too easy to complete because people have done it in a few days after doing the quest line multiple times already and put them in a party and see how they fair with each part of the quest.

You could even have the unfair advantage of going into each instance with 15 people and would probably still have trouble getting past each phase in the time frame you are saying these people have done it in.

Aight, so you say Ifrit X is the hardest Fight in this Game?

[GreyJorildyn]

No that isn't what he said at all. Try again.

[Nero]

No that isn't what he said at all. Try again.

Thank you for your Post, it was the most constructive one in this Thread. If i would have implied that he is saying that, i wouldnt have ask. lol

[syntaxlies]

Oh, i didnt include Hamlet, i'm just talking about the Relic Reborn-Quest itself. And i stated that allready weeks ago, i didnt quote anything.

Wait wait.. you are saying that i dont have a relic actually means, that i wouldnt be able to complete it because its soooooo hard? No, sorry it is because i got my Hamlet Seals late and didnt care for the last month of playing 1.0. I had other Goals to achieve i.e. Luminary's. Quest's. All Faction leve's, Darnus. And also.. running around and saying that "if person xy dont have achieved this and that, implies that he cant do it", is retarded and does not really show any grade of intelligence.

It is like i would run around and say everyone who does not have beat me in Achievement's is not able to do it, because he does not have the Skill. ( This would actually include almost every single poster in this Thread ). But no i can't be like that, since it's actually straight wrong and has nothing to do with the Topic itself.




Aight, so you say Ifrit X is the hardest Fight in this Game?

i didn't say you didn't have one for any particular reason, but i dont think someone who has not tried something should comment on its difficulty based on what they heard from other people.

[EinSoFZ]

No that isn't what he said at all. Try again.

Implying IfritX isn't just another NM fight requiring a decent strat and the right player group to win....

[Nero]

i didn't say you didn't have one for any particular reason, but i dont think someone who has not tried something should comment on its difficulty based on what they heard from other people.

Well, i am basing my Comment's on certain Aspect's, which includes the insane short Timeframes. I never said everyone and their mom is able to do it. Its about comparing FFXI Relic and FFXIV Relic and like i said, FFXIV Relic are more like FFXI AF-Weapons, time-wise. While Legendary Weapon i.e. Excalibur, will be more like what FFXI Relic were; Rare to have.

[Meatdawg]

JP mainly if it comes to finish ALL Relics within 2 Weeks. I didnt see it from a NA/EU Shell yet, which does not mean that NA/EU couldnt do it.

7/11 brd
7/20 mnk
7/22 war
7/29 drg
8/1 blm
8/9 whm
8/12 pld

So it took me 32 days to get all 7. I believe neri and I were the first 2 NA to complete all 7. At the time not many strats were out for the faction leve's and ifritx was close to farm status for us. Knowing what I know now I could do it in 2 weeks AFTER the first ifrit kill.

None of that can be done without a really good ls/static though. (Also the majority of the people i know/play with don't even want all 7) I believe it is too easy to get in its current progression.

[Nero]

7/11 brd
7/20 mnk
7/22 war
7/29 drg
8/1 blm
8/9 whm
8/12 pld

So it took me 32 days to get all 7. I believe neri and I were the first 2 NA to complete all 7. At the time not many strats were out for the faction leve's and ifritx was close to farm status for us. Knowing what I know now I could do it in 2 weeks AFTER the first ifrit kill.

None of that can be done without a really good ls/static though. (Also the majority of the people i know/play with don't even want all 7) I believe it is too easy to get in its current progression.

Thank you actually for an constructive opinion.

[GreyJorildyn]

Nero, you need to do some research buddy. You talk about strawman arguments and act like you know all this stuff first-hand. The reality is you don't. There are many metagame factors you just completely ignore that hinder the relic quest progress, in addition to the, admittedly, few in-game roadblocks.

Before posting it's best to take a look around. Your opinions, and those of some others as well, are coming from a very narrow camp. It's apparent your thoughts on things are based simply on what you see on your server and not the game at large. Is that constructive enough for you now? I hope so.

P.S. Reading comprehension is taught in high school.

[Judge_Xero]

Nero, you need to do some research buddy. You talk about strawman arguments and act like you know all this stuff first-hand. The reality is you don't. There are many metagame factors you just completely ignore that hinder the relic quest progress, in addition to the, admittedly, few in-game roadblocks.

This is the worst part. Some people take a long to time to recover from Hamlet Farm Mode. Relying on other people not to suck or even show up is the biggest obstacle.

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SE made relics available very early on in FFXI's lifecycle in 2003. They were the top weapons until 2010 when abyssea came out and gave us Empyrean weapons some of which were better then relics.

Relics created an artificial ceiling on weapons in FFXI in that no weapon released in that 10 year time span could be better then a relic or have higher damage on it.

Now we have FFXIV they released relics early on as well. Are we going to see a repeat of what happened in FFXI where every new weapon that comes out has to be worse then relics? Or will we actually see them come out with new weapons that are better then relics?

One thing I'm really hoping for is a quest to gain access to Artifact Armor 6 Piece Bonus

AF Armor + Relic and a bonus from each piece for having all 6 pieces.

(Holy Shield - Results Pending)

I think if they implement this type of evolution to the Relic Gear it would keep things pretty balanced.

My example being:
- SE releases stronger Primals for weapons etc. The weapons can be greater or equal to Relic Weapons for the average player stat for stat.
- Relic Weapons in conjunction with AF Armor will be much stronger than Primal Weapons and Darklight Armor.
- 5 Difficult Solo Quests to upgrade AF Armor to Bonus Set Status.

***At the same level cap, it's possible to increase the effectiveness of the Relics, without making a "Barrier" for normal weapons to reach. New Primal Weapons can be just as powerful.

***Example of Set Bonus? - Just similar to what we have now really...
- Ring of Talons - adds a "Chance to inflict burn DOT effect on enemies"
- Disembowel - adds "Makes Disembowel a Three-Fold attack" (greater chance to paralyze)
- Increase Crit Rate by 100

Sorry if this idea/discussion has been already done on this post. Only read the first couple pages about how this Quest is EasyMode. Then this last page was still discussing how it's EasyMode, so I assume the middle is the same?