Will Relics create the same problems that they did in FFXI?

[EinSoFZ]

and another one. do you know anything about relic quest?

I do. What's your point?

[Req]

Did you consider the fact that people didnt care about it for different reasons?

1. People couldnt have a dedicated Group to do it.
2. People couldnt care about the Weapons at all.
3. People may had other Goals to achieve.
4. People started late and couldnt finish before last save.

etc etc.

I get what you are saying, but still doesnt change the fact that the FFXIV-Relic quest line is more like FFXI Af Weapons, while Legendary Weapons will be actually on par with FFXI Relics. It has been proven by Japanese people mainly than this Questline CAN be done within 1 day or 2 days, if you really want it. How does it matter if people did not beat Ifrit x?

Um because Ifrit extreme takes linkshells weeks to months to learn how to kill the first time? I am guessing you have never fought it if you are comparing this to the level 40 AF weapons in XI, which you could get that one "godlike" level 60 guy in your first social linkshell that is sitting there in full dragoon AF and level 14 rings to solo the fight for you.

If you had someone give you all their currency in XI you could get the quest line done within a few days as well if it werent for the fact that it was designed to make you wait a certain amount of time between each phase of the quest line.

I am not denying that there are too many relics, but this stems from the fact that the quest line was designed so that multiple people in a linkshell can go into a dungeon and they can all work on it at the same time and make the same amount of progress. If they had made it so that each dungeon run you only got one of each drop per party item the number of relics would probably be about 20% of what it currently is making them seem like its so much harder to get them, when in reality it is just more time consuming.

[fusional]

I do. What's your point?

1. thread is about relics
2. you agree there aren't enough prereqs... using non-relic things as an example. a poor example.
3. ???
4. profit, i guess?

[syntaxlies]

Did you consider the fact that people didnt care about it for different reasons?

1. People couldnt have a dedicated Group to do it.
2. People couldnt care about the Weapons at all.
3. People may had other Goals to achieve.
4. People started late and couldnt finish before last save.

etc etc.

I get what you are saying, but still doesnt change the fact that the FFXIV-Relic quest line is more like FFXI Af Weapons, while Legendary Weapons will be actually on par with FFXI Relics. It has been proven by Japanese people mainly than this Questline CAN be done within 1 day or 2 days, if you really want it. How does it matter if people did not beat Ifrit x?

well, no matter the reason they didn't do it, if they didn't do it they cant bitch about how easy it is...

[Meatdawg]

It has been proven by Japanese people mainly than this Questline CAN be done within 1 day or 2 days, if you really want it. How does it matter if people did not beat Ifrit x?

JP mainly?

Without strats ifritx can take a good week of daily practice. With strats you could do it in a few days.

Everyone I know that wanted a relic has one. Does that make it too easy? I guess.. but whats the point of playing if you know you never have a shot at it.

All SE could of done in the current phase is slow us down even more by making each relic take 9 seals or not let people farm each turn in step along the way. But in the end Yoshi says they are too easy to get so I expect them to get replaced in there current form rather quickly with new primal/dungeon drops.

[Nero]

Um because Ifrit extreme takes linkshells weeks to months to learn how to kill the first time? I am guessing you have never fought it if you are comparing this to the level 40 AF weapons in XI,

No matter what you say, timewise it is like FFXI AF Weapons. And it doesnt take every Linkshell weeks to learn it, as Japanese player has proven. Do you actually read what i said?

which you could get that one "godlike" level 60 guy in your first social linkshell that is sitting there in full dragoon AF and level 14 rings to solo the fight for you.

lol?

If you had someone give you all their currency in XI you could get the quest line done within a few days as well if it werent for the fact that it was designed to make you wait a certain amount of time between each phase of the quest line.

You are grabbing Straw-mans now. It was never done in FFXI in a couple days, it was actually done in FFXIV.

JP mainly? .

JP mainly if it comes to finish ALL Relics within 2 Weeks. I didnt see it from a NA/EU Shell yet, which does not mean that NA/EU couldnt do it.

But in the end Yoshi says they are too easy to get so I expect them to get replaced in there current form rather quickly with new primal/dungeon drops.

Ssssh... you cant say that. I know Yoshi said that, but people in this Thread believe its the hardest Shit ever, so dont ruin their dreams. XD

[EinSoFZ]

1. thread is about relics
2. you agree there aren't enough prereqs... using non-relic things as an example. a poor example.
3. ???
4. profit, i guess?

I don't have a relic, but if I wanted one I know how to get it and that it would more or less boil down to a straight line of events that are quite doable within a reasonable time frame if you have the right people (like anything in this game). There are prereqs, but it is not my belief that they're very stringent or near impossible to complete. Basically if you focus on getting a relic, you will get it.

I know it's beating a dead horse, but in FFXI you could solely focus on relic and there's a large chance you'll never get it. For the moment I'm leaving out the whole FFXIV relics = FFXI AF.

My point is that things are easily done in this game; many things that maybe shouldn't be. The most challenging prereqs aren't truly difficult to accomplish.

[Zenaku]

Just my 2 cents

I think the XI relic system is definitely what they should aim for. Sure I never got one personally but they were always there as the ultimate objective, and since they were nearly impossible to get you always had something to work for. That's really this game's biggest flaw imo, XI was full of mountains you could "never" climb so you wouldn't get bored nearly as often.



And if they do "Upgrades" I hope the weapons have different looks or something... to me the FFXI method of upgrading relics every 5 levels just to be a reskinned/glorified version of the old one was pretty lame. 3 things that ruined XI for me: Magian trials, Augments, and Abyssea.

Just would hate to see this game go one of those routes...

That the point of the FFXIV relic system Yoshi-p said he want to make the relic the most powerful wep to get in the game at each level cap. The Curtana would later become a excalibur the curtana look noting like a excalibur but you would use curtana as the base wep to upgrade it to excalibur just how we use the class x2 meld as the base to make it into a curtana. Yoshi-p give that only example.

But it make sense at level 70ish excalibur should be the best and most powerful wep in the game but to get it would be a hard and long quest so it going to be hard to get excalibur and less people would have it then let say a curtana. At least that what it seem like it going to happen.

[syntaxlies]

No matter what you say, timewise it is like FFXI AF Weapons. And it doesnt take every Linkshell weeks to learn it, as Japanese player has proven. Do you actually read what i said?



lol?



You are grabbing Straw-mans now. It was never done in FFXI in a couple days, it was actually done in FFXIV.



JP mainly if it comes to finish ALL Relics within 2 Weeks. I didnt see it from a NA/EU Shell yet, which does not mean that NA/EU couldnt do it.

these payers who got them so fast got all their seals way in advance of the relic quest becoming available which is really the longest part of the whole thing. The fact that some people got them as fast as they did is really a testament to their ability, not to how easy it is. Lastly, you do not even have one so instead of going by what other people have said and quoting it for truth you should really wait till after you try to complain.

[Req]

I would really like to take the 10-15 people in this thread saying that it is too easy to complete because people have done it in a few days after doing the quest line multiple times already and put them in a party and see how they fair with each part of the quest.

You could even have the unfair advantage of going into each instance with 15 people and would probably still have trouble getting past each phase in the time frame you are saying these people have done it in.