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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Ok, let me explain very clearly why this is a horrible idea.

    1.) It does absolutely nothing to support the developers, as some people seem to believe. The amount of these used by players who purchase them is directly proportionate to the about of people who buy them to sell to the people who purchase them. No new revenue is generated for SE, it simply shifts the subscription fees from one player to another. Which leads me into...

    2.) It allows for a F2P option in this game. Not only does this open the community up to every 12 year old with internet access[...]
    Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??
    I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.
    Yet you admit that the 12 year-old FTP types wouldn't join the game otherwise...

    Even if their subs are paid by others, that's a net increase in subscribers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Yet you admit that the FTP types wouldn't join the game otherwise...
    Take it however you want, what I said was there is no ADDITIONAL benefit to the developers other than the fees they would have normally collected for the accounts. Which is what some people have claimed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    I never said there were no new subscriptions, I said the developers aren't making any more or less money than they would if the players paid themselves.
    Wow. i really don't know how to reply to your sophisticated opinion.

    "You didn't exactly get this, do you? This topic has 20 pages. Read them, then reconsider posting."

    Also: m(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    Wait... so there are no new subscriptions, and yet there is an influx of new 12yr old FTP types??
    There will be new subscriptions, just not a guaranteed monthly payment towards the game devs. It really is a broken system, even if the items were un-tradable, it would still cause for financial instability as it is not guaranteed that every subscription would be paying every month. With this, you are recycling that item, which generates no revenue at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuru View Post
    There will be new subscriptions, just not a guaranteed monthly payment towards the game devs. It really is a broken system, even if the items were un-tradable, it would still cause for financial instability as it is not guaranteed that every subscription would be paying every month. With this, you are recycling that item, which generates no revenue at all.
    Fair enough.. when the players get sick of spending gil, they might quit.. or they might start to pay...

    Either way, its additional revenue coming into SE -- and potentially quite a bit if they get hooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuru View Post
    There will be new subscriptions, just not a guaranteed monthly payment towards the game devs. It really is a broken system, even if the items were un-tradable, it would still cause for financial instability as it is not guaranteed that every subscription would be paying every month. With this, you are recycling that item, which generates no revenue at all.
    Actually, you pay for the PLEX item up-front, not when it's used. Thus, if there are 100,000 PLEX items on the market (bought at $10 each), Square has already made $1,000,000 even if that game time never gets used. Obviously they will get used eventually, but it makes no difference to SE if they're used or not. The item disappears after use so there's no way to "go back" on the purchase. And why would you pay gil to buy the item if not to use it or sell it? It's not doing you any good languishing in your inventory.
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