Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
Are you sure? because reading some of the posts from "supposed" hardcore around here, it seems that quite a few do NOT want to have fun (advocating mindless grinds, farming items for hours on end, big timesinks and such), as much as simply putting artificial time-based stumbling blocks to exclude people that have less time from some of the gear-based rewards and content.
I honestly don't see that many people advocating grinding and excessive farming. "Big timesinks" is pretty much only advocated by a small number of hardcores specifically referring to a Death penalty.

But that doesn't even matter. No matter what someone advocates, they wouldn't advocate it if they didn't consider it as contributing to fun (unless they're a troll just wanting to start ****). They have the right to express their opinion on what they find fun and what they want in the game.

They also have the right (and quite justified, mind you) to complain if someone who does not put the same effort in gets the same reward.