The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Alicia_WM]

Please define hardcore and casual, cos i get the feeling that your thread is inspired by the recent NM discussion where everyone who was against 24 nm pop was flamed by a some camping fetish LS.

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

[Jynx]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

I have to say thats the worst classification of Casual Vs Hardcore that I have ever heard.

It's not a matter of time spent it's a matter of how you aproach the game. Casuals tend to take it slow and easy doing things how they want when they want. Hardcore players generally rush to the finish. there are alot of ways to explain if you are a casual or hardcore MMO player, but flat out generalizing the Hardcore players as

"Neckbeards" is flat out insulting. Perhaps you are mixing up Hardcore players with Elitist players.

[Lamhirh]

I have to say thats the worst classification of Casual Vs Hardcore that I have ever heard.

It's not a matter of time spent it's a matter of how you aproach the game. Casuals tend to take it slow and easy doing things how they want when they want. Hardcore players generally rush to the finish. there are alot of ways to explain if you are a casual or hardcore MMO player, but flat out generalizing the Hardcore players as

"Neckbeards" is flat out insulting. Perhaps you are mixing up Hardcore players with Elitist players.

i like this definition. This way i am a casuall oplayer in everything i do ^^. Just do all in way i enjoy most. Fun>Efficiency

[Kazimir]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

I lol'd. I'm totally a neckbeard.

[Captaindownsyndrome]

im a Casual player but im all for there plans to remove surplus system let be honest it hurt us as well i get a good day to grid i hit surplus which is lame i have very little time i work overnight at walmart full time and run networking and pc repair business so little strapped on time, but I still think that surplus should go out the window, as for having the best gear i will get it in time and if not ill live it just damn game

[Kallera]

im a Casual player but im all for there plans to remove surplus system let be honest it hurt us as well i get a good day to grid i hit surplus which is lame i have very little time i work overnight at walmart full time and run networking and pc repair business so little strapped on time, but I still think that surplus should go out the window, as for having the best gear i will get it in time and if not ill live it just damn game

Um, not for nothing,but I find this implausible...especially unconvincing is why you think surplus should go. Surplus by its own nature, helps people like you.

[Captaindownsyndrome]

Um, not for nothing,but I find this implausible...especially unconvincing is why you think surplus should go. Surplus by its own nature, helps people like you.

lol how is it implausible? i dont think its right simple as that everyone can't play there own way why force those have the time to level or rank ( that i dont have). To change there class it lame i may not have the time and they may get head of me but why should they be held back because im not as on as often and also i have hit surplus on my day off and it bugs the crap out of me how it hinder me from grinding in my free time.

[Molly_Millions]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

Hey now, I consider myself a pretty hardcore gamer, and I hold down a real job. Your definition is a little off.

[Kaedan]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

Wow... that couldn't be anymore biased or insulting. Careful, your hypocrisy is showing...

Casual: Someone who doesn't have a lot of time to play, so only logs in for a few hours a week.

Hardcore: Someone who has a lot of time to play and plays for many hours a week.

That's really all there is to it. You can make assumptions about them as well, but we all know how that works out. Did you ever consider that Hardcores want to have fun too? And if a game is too easy, it ceases to be fun. So for people who can and want to devote many hours to the game, they deserve to have some content that is tailored to them, just as much as the current content is tailored to Casuals.


tl;dr Behave yourself and make constructive comments or GTFO.

[Abriael]

That's really all there is to it. You can make assumptions about them as well, but we all know how that works out. Did you ever consider that Hardcores want to have fun too?

Are you sure? because reading some of the posts from "supposed" hardcore around here, it seems that quite a few do NOT want to have fun (advocating mindless grinds, farming items for hours on end, big timesinks and such), as much as simply putting artificial time-based stumbling blocks to exclude people that have less time from some of the gear-based rewards and content.

And if a game is too easy, it ceases to be fun.

Time != difficulty.
Difficulty = difficulty.

You can have extremely challenging content that can be completed in an hour.

If people have many hours to devote to the game, they should be catered to by adding more content (that can be accessed and enjoyed by everyone) so that they have a lot of things to do, not by wasting development resources to develop mindnumbingly boring timesinks that can be accessed only by a minority.

this is where the entitlement issues are coming in guys, thank you for proving what some of us were saying earlier

The only entitlement issue i see here is from some self-elected hardcore that want a game developer receiving money from everyone, to work to create content that can be enjoyed only by their little niche, instead of using those resources to create content that can be enjoyed by *everyone*.

So yeah, there definitely is an entitlement issue here, but it's not where you think it is.