i love FFXI but.....

[Ingolf]

Why no complaints about FFVI style Magitek? Why no complaints about Typhoon? That's also cutting corners using that logic.

Remember the magic sentence people throw around lately: "It's just Alpha! Let them do x, y, z then complain."

Because they're not the exact same model, and they're taken from 2D and re-imagined into 3D. There's a lot more work, and new art will have to be created.

Adamantoise is IDENTICAL. Not similar. IDENTICAL. With one or two mobs that's fine, but once they start adding IDENTICAL mobs into the game it's a slippery slope.

I don't mind them taking the concepts.

[Montijin]

I'm glad some of you aren't in control of making an MMO. If you seriously think SE has the time to make all new models for everything right now you are delusional.

They posted that picture because they were testing large scale fights against big mobs to see how the server could handle it. I'm sure the Adamantoise model from XI was a convenient fit to test this out.

Maybe I should start bolding random words to try to hype up my argument though; because someone else pointed this out earlier and it was ignored.

[VitoScaletta]

I love FFXI but...


I wish people would stop making threads like they aren't going to take some great ideas from FFXI, and leave some out at the same time.

[Scy]

Maybe we should al sit tite until we at least make it to beta? Anything is set to change either by being taken out or added? I got no problems and gripes either way as do most of us. Best we can do atm is see where it goes and base our judgements off whats presented to us.

[Ingolf]

I'm glad some of you aren't in control of making an MMO. If you seriously think SE has the time to make all new models for everything right now you are delusional.

They posted that picture because they were testing large scale fights against big mobs to see how the server could handle it. I'm sure the Adamantoise model from XI was a convenient fit to test this out.

Maybe I should start bolding random words to try to hype up my argument though; because someone else pointed this out earlier and it was ignored.

Maybe people should start reading posts instead of skimming. Then bolding words wouldn't be so necessary.

[Zantetsuken]

I totally agree with this.

Even though ppl say that Final Fantasy is known to get things from previous games, that's entirely right. So they shouldn't stick only to FFXI cuz there's no mob in-game from previous FFs. And this concerns me a lot because FFXI's Shiva is just horrendous lol

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All of FFXIV's designs are MUCH bigger and more grand than FFXI's versions, so I'm confident that Shiva will look significantly more impressive than:

I've got a feeling that FFXIV's Shiva might be the best design of her to date.. but we shall see~

[Firon]

You mean it doesn't look anything like this Tiamat? I admit that there are a lot of FFXI designs being carried over when I'd rather see new designs. Did anyone else notice the Rafflesia in the last Live Letter?

Those things are really Ochu's but for some reason in XI some other mob was named that. XI used a mini version FF 10 Ochu. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/O...inal_Fantasy_X)

[Zantetsuken]

Because they're not the exact same model, and they're taken from 2D and re-imagined into 3D. There's a lot more work, and new art will have to be created.

Adamantoise is IDENTICAL. Not similar. IDENTICAL. With one or two mobs that's fine, but once they start adding IDENTICAL mobs into the game it's a slippery slope.

I don't mind them taking the concepts.

^^ Too many people are missing this exact point.^^

Same name/concept with a new design? Awesome! (Primals, Chocobo, Ahriman, Bombs, Cactuar, Puk, Bogy, Funguar, etc.)

Identical model and textures? Eh... try to keep it to a minimum.

Personally, for small/ordinary mobs, its not a big deal. We have Raptors, Goblins, Mandragora, Qiqirn, Apkallu, Imps, Goobbue, Opo-opo, Peiste, etc. which are all identical in design to their FFXI counterparts... A lot, but not a problem.

Wholesale import of unique/boss monster geometry like Adamantoise (or Atomos for that matter) begins to be distracting.

Caveat: If Adamantoise is downgraded from a boss/NM to an ordinary, wandering mob in FFXIV, I wouldn't be bothered much.

I've long said that FFXIV should have more giant (non-NM) mobs wandering around for players to exp or farm. If importing Adamantoise is how they accomplish that, then I'm good~

[ShivenCasull]

^^ Too many people are missing this exact point.^^

Same name/concept with a new design? Awesome! (Primals, Chocobo, Ahriman, Bombs, Cactuar, Puk, Bogy, Funguar, etc.)

Identical model and textures? Eh... try to keep it to a minimum.

Personally, for small/ordinary mobs, its not a big deal. We have Raptors, Goblins, Mandragora, Qiqirn, Apkallu, Imps, Goobbue, Opo-opo, Peiste, etc. which are all identical in design to their FFXI counterparts... A lot, but not a problem.

Wholesale import of unique/boss monster geometry like Adamantoise (or Atomos for that matter) begins to be distracting.

Caveat: If Adamantoise is downgraded from a boss/NM to an ordinary, wandering mob in FFXIV, I wouldn't be bothered much.

I've long said that FFXIV should have more giant (non-NM) mobs wandering around for players to exp or farm. If importing Adamantoise is how they accomplish that, then I'm good~

I was under the impression Adamantoise was never a "special" monster except in XI.

I would imagine they're more akin to the giant crabs or frogs that are already in XIV.

If SE copies an actual boss monster (primal/character/etc) then I'll join the camp of, wtf copy paste.

[Zantetsuken]

The other sticky issue with Adamantoise is that it's an old iconic FF monster that has received a modified design in every FF game except (apparently) FFXIV

Seeing the FFXI version in this game breaks that trend.