What XIV can take from XI to make it better

[fusional]

The majority of lv75 HNM gear, and relic became obsolete in just one update. Many was dissatisfied because of this because it took months to obtain some of that. I don't know if I can elaborate that any simpler for you, but if you still don't get it, you probably have some of the symptoms for romnesia..

and yet you played to level 90. so maybe explain to me again how it was so devastating ...that you and so many others kept playing anyway, because you have all of the symptoms of awful logic.

or maybe next time just try telling a story that backs up your point a little better.

[Andrien]

and yet you played to level 90. so maybe explain to me again how it was so devastating ...that you and so many others kept playing anyway, because you have all of the symptoms of awful logic.

or maybe next time just try telling a story that backs up your point a little better.

To further simplify things, I didn't take part in HNM camping, I wasn't that group of people that complain and rage quit. Did you read my original post? oops you most likely forgot..As I said you have the symptoms. There is a cure for that you know.

[fusional]

listen, swifty. let me explain something to you very simply and very slowly. in your post you never mentioned anything about HNM people complaining or quitting or being devastated by the level cap increase. you went from "i played to level 90 and did blah blah" to "i didn't do HNM because it was frustrating" to "HNM with good drops would be disastrous due to a level cap increase"

maybe your brain doesn't function correctly but any person with even the slightest ability to puke out a remotely well-reasoned argument would see that you just jumped around to three unrelated topics in some meandering tangential attempt to flail your way to... some... point. a point which doesn't make sense.

according to you- having HNM with good drops would destroy the game. and yet you played it to 90, and apparently other people stuck with it even longer than that- because the game isn't destroyed just yet. so apparently having HNM drop gear didn't destroy the game.

so explain to me how it would destroy this game, and what evidence you're basing this upon. because your logic is bad and your evidence doesn't prove anything.

so try again.

[Shougun]

I think a summoning system with HNM's could be fun - so people can watch but there is no silly "stealing" going on (since summoning group gets claim and then is locked out afterwards).

Or just make them more like semi-schedule server events - would be difficult to balance dynamically though without a sense of guaranteed win with attrition.

Anything more community driven without disrupting the challenge would be preferred.

[Blue_Elf]

I'd hope it tries to straddle the line between the old and the new without it completely going 'theme park'

[Alhanelem]

Sorry dont mean to come off like an ass but FFXI is not running. at least not the game most of us fell in love with. this is my most hated statement i see on these forums. believe me i would play it again if that were the case.

The game is still running. Whether you like it or not in its current state is a matter of opinion. The only things that have truly changed wildly are the speed of leveling and the currently popular endgame events. The "old" XI is a relic of the past that should stay in the past. Spending multiple hours a day doing absolutely nothing while you wait for an HNM to pop, events that take several hours to complete, and multi-day reentry timers are all things I don't miss one single bit. Slow leveling works the first time you play but after that, most people just want to get it over with. You're totally welcome to disagree with these points, as it isn't really important for the crux of the point I'm trying to make.

Regardless of how much you love XI or loved it sometime in the past, this game is not and should not try to be just like the current or the past XI. It should try to be like its own thing- naturally some ideas may be borrowed from other games here and there, to strengthen the "FF feel" - but there is no point in even making a new game if it's not really going to be any different from the only other game in its category.

Every MMO changes over time, and everyone has nostalgia they'd like to live again- This is why it's so difficult to accept change- but if XI or XIV were frozen in that ideal state that everyone loved, they would have eventually gotten bored with that. If you don't change things and introduce new stuff, any MMO will die a slow death.

[Andrien]

listen, swifty. let me explain something to you very simply and very slowly. in your post you never mentioned anything about HNM people complaining or quitting or being devastated by the level cap increase. you went from "i played to level 90 and did blah blah" to "i didn't do HNM because it was frustrating" to "HNM with good drops would be disastrous due to a level cap increase"

maybe your brain doesn't function correctly but any person with even the slightest ability to puke out a remotely well-reasoned argument would see that you just jumped around to three unrelated topics in some meandering tangential attempt to flail your way to... some... point. a point which doesn't make sense.

according to you- having HNM with good drops would destroy the game. and yet you played it to 90, and apparently other people stuck with it even longer than that- because the game isn't destroyed just yet. so apparently having HNM drop gear didn't destroy the game.

so explain to me how it would destroy this game, and what evidence you're basing this upon. because your logic is bad and your evidence doesn't prove anything.

so try again.

I don't think you can comprehend what you read.

Let me further break it down with numbers, because it seems you also lack common sense along with your memory loss.

1. Read my post again slowly word for word.
2. I never said HNM should not have elite drops.
3. People spend months camping a certain item then all of a sudden it became obsolete in one patch.
4. Putting in HNM with elite drops at max lv50 pose a high chance of people complaining when the Level cap goes up higher in the future because there will be better gears, and weapons suited for those new levels.
5. If SE were to do this right now, history has a good chance of repeating itself.
6. SE should wait longer before implementing elite gear drops from HNM.

I put all that in 3 easy to read paragraph explaining the entire situation from my point of view because I've seen HNM LS fall because of this. I'm thinking about those individual that like to spend hours and months camping, and then to have their most prized gear obsolete was enough to make them quit. I don't want that to happen again.

Now I'm no medical doctor but seriously, get a thermometer, check your temperature..

[Firon]

I didn't like the lvl cap cause it took for it to be implemented, after i had to do more work for new gear i just didn't wanna do it again after chasing gear for my pld for 7 years,

[fusional]

so there shouldn't be HNM with elite drops at level 50, but elite gear like darklight and relic is okay? elite triple/quad melds are ok? people with those pieces will somehow be less upset about a level cap raise than people who got their gear from HNM?

again, your logic doesn't compute. you really didn't think this through, did you?

so i guess there just shouldn't be any elite gear in the game, period, so nobody will have anything to bitch about when the level cap is raised in a year or three?

help me understand, aristotle.

[Andrien]

so there shouldn't be HNM with elite drops at level 50, but elite gear like darklight and relic is okay? elite triple/quad melds are ok? people with those pieces will somehow be less upset about a level cap raise than people who got their gear from HNM?

again, your logic doesn't compute. you really didn't think this through, did you?

so i guess there just shouldn't be any elite gear in the game, period, so nobody will have anything to bitch about when the level cap is raised in a year or three?

help me understand, aristotle.

Relic weapon will be upgradable. Darklight gear is something for us players to pass the time until ARR.