yeah i don't think ffxiv2.0 will be the disc cash. it's too late for that one, the ps3 cost i think is like 40bucks and 30for pc when it launches. i'm saying this is how i see the direction of all mmo's coming forward in the future if they keep making mmo's that launch and fail. that last statement was for all mmo's in general. if we can speed threw time and see a mmo in 10years i wouldn't be surprised if it was enough content to be called an old offline game with a monthly to it.