Small Rant on Seal Rolls in Hamlet parties

[Mikita]

Hmm, to be honest I am not sure why ppl say it is moraly wrong... how is it moraly wrong?
You lost the lot and that really should be the end of discussion, nothing wrong or unethical there.

Morals are subjective.


Imagine 3 people rolling on /random.

Person A wants the item. Rolls a 50.
Person B wants the item. Rolls a 75.
Person C doesn't want the item and only intends to pass to Person A. Rolls an 80.

So person B won over person A, but person C won over person B. Person C receives the item and then passes it to Person A.

Basically, person A had a 66% chance of winning and person B only had a 33% chance.

Whether or not it is fair to person B is questionable to some, but not others.


So... If joining a Pick Up Group (or partial PUG) it's best to be clear on the drop rules, and gracefully pull out at the beginning if it doesn't meet your expectations.

[Valerathon]

Morals are subjective.

No, they aren't, and that is why they are morals. What gives your hypothetical Person C the right to roll at all? Participation in the party bringing the total to 8. His state of mind is irrelevant to the roll and the subsequent exchange. Your case is dismissed. Get outta my courtroom.

[Raikki]

Why is there so much pointless drama over PUG hamlet drops? I don't get it. I feel like MMO players have some inherent need to create drama, but all they have to fight over is hamlet drops so that's what they stir up drama over. If it's such a big deal, just get yourself top 3 provisioner and get your own roll-free seals.

[Mikita]

No, they aren't, and that is why they are morals. What gives your hypothetical Person C the right to roll at all? Participation in the party bringing the total to 8. His state of mind is irrelevant to the roll and the subsequent exchange. Your case is dismissed. Get outta my courtroom.

Yes they are subjective.

I'll be very glad to get out of your presence, and will likewise put you out of mine.

[IBloodmoon]

This really has nothing to do with morals. If this person was giving up his right to roll on what he really wanted to help out a friend, I see no problem with that. It's not like a seal came up and he decided to switch after he knew the seal was already up. I don't know why they would have felt like they needed to do the exchange in private, but still nothing unethical about this situation. As has already been stated, your chances to get the drop didn't change just because another persons chance to win increased. I have a feeling that you are more upset about letting the guy who won the seal change what we was lotting for to seals. Next time just don't let someone change mid party.

[AdvancedWind]

Why is there so much pointless drama over PUG hamlet drops? I don't get it. I feel like MMO players have some inherent need to create drama, but all they have to fight over is hamlet drops so that's what they stir up drama over. If it's such a big deal, just get yourself top 3 provisioner and get your own roll-free seals.

As long as MMOs keep requiring a lot of time, random chance and / or repetition to progress, there will be drama.

[Wynn]

Not drama at all really. Simply stating a scenario that happened which I find to be ethically questionable. There was no drama at the time nor any here.

I do find the comments here interesting though.

[Mamba]

Morals are subjective.

Well in this case not really...
If we think it was unethical for the person to pass the seal to his friend... would you say it would be then moraly wrong also if he lot the seal and dropped it on the ground?

[Wynn]

Well in this case not really...
If we think it was unethical for the person to pass the seal to his friend... would you say it would be then moraly wrong also if he lot the seal and dropped it on the ground?

I would say, yes. If you intentionally lot on something that you are planning to let be destroyed in the event you win it, not only is it wrong but you are not a very good person.

[Meatdawg]

The guy who wasn't rolling for seals originally obviously joined the party purely to help his friend. If he won the roll on the seal, it's his to do as he pleases, whether that be to give it to a friend or not.

It is sometimes hard to find people to join a party, so having him in the party to begin with meant that everyone had a chance to get a seal. He won the seal fairly, and he did what he wanted to with it. End of story.

This...

You lost the roll, doesn't matter what the guy did with it who won the roll because you had your chance at it.

He could destroy it at that point if he wanted too.