If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

[Renen]

I'd like to point out that the majority of FFXI players(atleast on Shiva around 04-06) felt that the game was virtually unplayable WITHOUT the barebones Windower, which did nothing more than let you Alt+Tab. Later additions, like the Range finder were nice, but one could get by without any of the additional things provided.

Those types of addons are fine. All they let you do is something that Dev's overlooked. But ones that tell you to move in time, are just spoon feeding you the info.

[Antipika]

I'd rather them be on top of banning, because I dont mind hard content. I DO mind content that is made WITH the addons in mind. I havent played WoW but people are saying that thats how it is there.

Welcome to a theme park MMO, enjoy your stay. You are meant to play the game the way devs intend you to play the game. If an encounter is made by DEVs with addons in mind, then it means that devs determined that you should use them.

You don't want to or you do not agree? The solution is pretty simple: deal with it.

That being said, with XIV being targeted at PS3 users as well, we can be fairly confident that encounters won't rely on the use of addons (beside the ones available natively on PS3, as SE said they may implement on console the most popular addons available on PC.)

[Renen]

deal with it.

[Preypacer]

Chances are the only add-ons I'll be using will be cosmetic only. If anything I'll use UI add-ons to remove HUD info when it's in the way.

This is what I'm hoping for.

Leave the crutches and training-wheels out of the game's more challenging content, please.

Addons like DBM are never necessary so long as people are willing to pay attention, learn the fights and actually attempt to improve. The problem lies in the fact that many people don't want to do that. They want the game to be as easy as possible. They want the win to be as guaranteed as they can make it. And if using an add-on to spoon-feed them the info that they would normally have to learn and pick up on by playing the game gets them their win/loot faster.. then that's all they care about.

My favorite rationalization is when people say something like "all the add-ons do is bring functionality into the game that the devs forgot to add and should have been there to begin with". Are you freaking kidding me? Because "you" (you being the people who use such ridiculous arguments) need a crutch to succeed at certain game content doesn't mean it's "missing from the game". It means you need a crutch to succeed at certain game content that is otherwise do-able without it.

[ShinigamiKayla]

Oh right...
I was just comparing RMTs to DBMs. Because RMTs destroy game economy and DBMs make you subpar to those who use them (if you yourself dont).
Like I said before, I want to play this game and not this game + 30 addons. But IF i dont use addons then lots of groups WILL exclude me.

yes... I will exclude you if you can't move out of the damned fire... seriously I don't see why your arguing... the reason why you would be booted is because its an add on to help comprehend a fight -.-/ If you die you are holding the rest of the group back and I would not hesitate to kick you... seriously >.>... you would probaly cry "I NEVER GET INTO END GAME WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME WHY DO I NOT HAVE GEAR" then someone gives you an option so you can fight on par with ppl who geared and know fights and you would QQ about OHHH ITS TO EASY BECAUSE IT WARNS ME TO STAY OUT OF FIRE...

DBM EXISTS AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T FREAKING COMPREHEND TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRE... it takes skill to read and understand something... Its the reason I can't stand to run endgame much anymore... less people do it because not many understand it... if you can get more of a population doing endgame more people will get crap done instead of it being an exclusive epeen club... then you have people like this whining when they would never get into endgame without such an addon... seriously Renen... you are making me face desk so hard right now...

[Renen]

yes... I will exclude you if you can't move out of the damned fire... seriously I don't see why your arguing... the reason why you would be booted is because its an add on to help comprehend a fight -.-/ If you die you are holding the rest of the group back and I would not hesitate to kick you... seriously >.>... you would probaly cry "I NEVER GET INTO END GAME WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME WHY DO I NOT HAVE GEAR" then someone gives you an option so you can fight on par with ppl who geared and know fights and you would QQ about OHHH ITS TO EASY BECAUSE IT WARNS ME TO STAY OUT OF FIRE...

DBM EXISTS AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T FREAKING COMPREHEND TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRE... it takes skill to read and understand something... Its the reason I can't stand to run endgame much anymore... less people do it because not many understand it... if you can get more of a population doing endgame more people will get crap done instead of it being an exclusive epeen club... then you have people like this whining when they would never get into endgame without such an addon... seriously Renen... you are making me face desk so hard right now...

I hope you dont actually mean that I am one of those people who stand in a fire. Just for the lulz, I once tanked Ifrit as WHM... And I am always the last to die when my pt wipes to some crazy boss (unless its some un-dodgeble move that is supposed to be handles by a tank). I would actually not care (much) for people using the addons. What I WOULD care for is if I am suddenly required to sue it because the fights are being designed with the addons in mind.

[ShinigamiKayla]

I hope you dont actually mean that I am one of those people who stand in a fire. Just for the lulz, I once tanked Ifrit as WHM... And I am always the last to die when my pt wipes to some crazy boss (unless its some un-dodgeble move that is supposed to be handles by a tank). I would actually not care (much) for people using the addons. What I WOULD care for is if I am suddenly required to sue it because the fights are being designed with the addons in mind.

if you want that then have a dedicated group if I am organizing a run for something I want everyone to bring their best game and if an add on helps that then good... if i have not run with someone i can't trust them to move out of something and if they let me down yeh I'm gonna laugh because I had some requested >.>... the point is I have played end game in many MMOs and in each MMO people were required to watch videos on youtube about the fight... something like DBM can only help... If people want to do stuff they need a tiny bit of dedication and if an addon makes up for them not watching a youtube guide or being raiding virgins then its a good thing get new people introduced to the content so more people can do stuff...

ask yourself Renren... if you did not know a fight...what would you do? If you were holding us back because you would not use an add on or watch a video its your fault not the groups... its a personal issue it seems like? I got nothing against you its just the fact your so adamantly hating on such an idea... and btw Ifrit and the primal fights are easy fights... FFXIV was not built around skill... alot of MMOs like WoW are not just tank n spank fights they require A LOT of movement... Ifrit was still a stationary fight a lot of the time same with moogle and garuda...

[Jynx]

Except that RMTs are poisonous to the game environment? Someone else choosing to use addons affects your gameplay about as much as somebody choosing to turn their music off.

Addons themselves could be considered poisonous to those who wish to not use them. In the case of WoW content is litteraly built around people having said add-ons more or less forcing players who would rather not use them...use them or be left out of content that was designed for the game they are paying for.

[Jeronlmo]

yes... I will exclude you if you can't move out of the damned fire... seriously I don't see why your arguing... the reason why you would be booted is because its an add on to help comprehend a fight -.-/ If you die you are holding the rest of the group back and I would not hesitate to kick you... seriously >.>... you would probaly cry "I NEVER GET INTO END GAME WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME WHY DO I NOT HAVE GEAR" then someone gives you an option so you can fight on par with ppl who geared and know fights and you would QQ about OHHH ITS TO EASY BECAUSE IT WARNS ME TO STAY OUT OF FIRE...

DBM EXISTS AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T FREAKING COMPREHEND TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRE... it takes skill to read and understand something... Its the reason I can't stand to run endgame much anymore... less people do it because not many understand it... if you can get more of a population doing endgame more people will get crap done instead of it being an exclusive epeen club... then you have people like this whining when they would never get into endgame without such an addon... seriously Renen... you are making me face desk so hard right now...

I see this often... DBM "tells you" to get out of the fire, I see this as to much, you should just know to get out of the fire, these things should be obvious, this is where we see DBM taking away from the game, info is being fed to you, the fact that it needs to tell you this should be embarrassing.

You may have the ability to listen to your bot and move out of the fire, but you dont have the ability to watch for the fire yourself, I would kick you.

[ShinigamiKayla]

I see this often... DBM "tells you" to get out of the fire, I see this as to much, you should just know to get out of the fire, these things should be obvious, this is where we see DBM taking away from the game, info is being fed to you, the fact that it needs to tell you this should be embarrassing

you would not believe how many people do not understand to move out of the fire....there are a big ton of them it does not take away from a game if it helps the big percent of the population who does not know how to move out of the fire to actually make an attempt to not stand in the fire...