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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renen View Post
    Oh right...
    I was just comparing RMTs to DBMs. Because RMTs destroy game economy and DBMs make you subpar to those who use them (if you yourself dont).
    Like I said before, I want to play this game and not this game + 30 addons. But IF i dont use addons then lots of groups WILL exclude me.
    If the content being created demands such tools to be effective in them (because they are hard) then outside game unsupported addons will appear - like they already have. Or like in FFXI with windower.

    Only solution would be to create content easy enough not to warrant third party help - as if it was created no one could care to look for it since they didnt need it. And / Or be on top of banning those using third party tools.
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    I'd rather them be on top of banning, because I dont mind hard content. I DO mind content that is made WITH the addons in mind. I havent played WoW but people are saying that thats how it is there.
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    I would say the "be on top of banning those using third party tools." would be the best option, but hey, its to late, addons are already being designed into 2.0 because SE thinks they will be the new blizzard, lol.
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    I dont mind addons as such.
    But I dont want any that make game too easy.
    Like if some 1 wants to draw their own map, and substitute it for the one SE made thats fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeronlmo View Post
    Diablo3 did that.
    do you know what you're talking about... regarding anything at all? there are no mods in diablo 3. and they designed the game around the idea that there would be no mods. therefore any mods anyone makes would be against ToS. and while against TOS, that still doesn't make them a bot.

    bots AUTOMATE an action for you. BOT is short for ROBOT. ROBOTS are AUTOMATED MACHINES. if a mod tells you something is coming, it isn't automating anything for you. is an alarm clock a bot? are you guaranteed to get up and go to work on time just because your alarm goes off? does your alarm transform into a god damned honda civic and drive to work for you? if the answer is yes- your alarm is a BOT. but i'm pretty sure the answer is no. pretty sure.

    i try to be respectful in these forums but jesus people like you make it hard.
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    Last edited by fusional; 09-26-2012 at 06:15 AM.

  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by OJtheLIONKing View Post
    Troll?

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    Troll? I hope so.

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    If practicing my right to free speech is wrong, I don't wanna be right! :P
    Seriously, no trolling here... I thought I was making a point that even though add-ons are cool, I want SE to approve which ones are used in-game.

    Using 3rd party tools should be a priviledge not a right and be approved my the company. The whole MMO could be scrutinized by the revolving need of 3rd party use. If you ,"don't use it's,fine!" If you do use curtain 3rd pty tools, "cool, good for you!"

    It shouldn't be a necessity for the game, like chocobo raising in FFxi, it's an option for fun but necessary.
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    sell fish izm

    i have a feeling that SE won't be allowing player created mods in categories like DBM and will be approving aesthetic mods for the UI instead. then again, with the footage we've seen so far of the game, combat has changed drastically and it seems that SE is beginning to go in a different direction to please a larger audience (not FFXI players).

    i'm pretty scared to see what they do, the player reaction, whether or not and who they end up listening to and catering towards but at the end of the day, i vote against things like DBM while still desiring a harder game because i'm pro, selfish and i don't want others to have what i do.

    all in all, if the SE dev team really is anything special they should be able to create content that rivals whatever you guys were saying about WOW without approving mods like DBM. and with that being said, i'm really excited to see what they do with dungeons, raids, instances and NMs.
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejiboo View Post
    i have a feeling that SE won't be allowing player created mods in categories like DBM and will be approving aesthetic mods for the UI instead. then again, with the footage we've seen so far of the game, combat has changed drastically and it seems that SE is beginning to go in a different direction to please a larger audience (not FFXI players).

    i'm pretty scared to see what they do, the player reaction, whether or not and who they end up listening to and catering towards but at the end of the day, i vote against things like DBM while still desiring a harder game because i'm pro, selfish and i don't want others to have what i do.

    all in all, if the SE dev team really is anything special they should be able to create content that rivals whatever you guys were saying about WOW without approving mods like DBM. and with that being said, i'm really excited to see what they do with dungeons, raids, instances and NMs.
    SE wont be approving / disproving each addons by hand - unless they want to be spending a huge amount of money on maintaining accepted mods or creating a great barrier to entry for mod authors.

    The best thing to do is hope SE will never design content based off of addons - and if they like an addon so much add it into the game themselves, where they can then base the content off of what is officially in game.

    And the FFXI players are not explicitly against addons - a LARGE percentage of FFXI PC players used winodwer and many of its extra features.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 09-26-2012 at 06:52 AM.

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    my "Diablo3 did that." was responding to something non-bot related, which ive actually explained to someone right before your post, please read.

    You have also never made an attempt to be respectful. Everything you say is full of snide remarks and grammar corrections (grammar police).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    And the FFXI players are not explicitly against addons - a LARGE percentage of FFXI PC players used winodwer and many of its extra features.
    I'd like to point out that the majority of FFXI players(atleast on Shiva around 04-06) felt that the game was virtually unplayable WITHOUT the barebones Windower, which did nothing more than let you Alt+Tab. Later additions, like the Range finder were nice, but one could get by without any of the additional things provided.
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