If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

[Elexia]

A game should be designed better to where you don't have to stare at a text log the entire fight.

Pretty much every boss in XIV has visual cues as well.

[Lum]

Until they make bosses challenging enough to need an addon for them i wouldn't worry about it. The raven fight is about the only fight at this point where addons might be useful, every other boss has extremely simple mechanics.

[fusional]

Pretty much every boss in XIV has visual cues as well.

pretty much every boss in XIV is exceedingly simplistic and doesn't really take much to figure out. DBM/BigWigs-style add ons are for things 20x more complex than anything we have in this game, to make the fights slightly more manageable. and before you say "well we don't need it for that either"- apparently we do, given how small a percentage of the playerbase is actually able to beat Rivenroad hard and how categorically easy that fight is compared to the large majority of raid bosses in WoW

allowing the community to make and use addons like DBM/Bigwigs also enables the devs to design much more challenging content and raise the skill/execution bar on a great number of fights. and as that's something the game sorely lacks currently, raiding enthusiasts generally welcome it.

as far as the "i don't need DBM mods because i'm not BAD"- lol well you're entitled to your opinion, but i think you've got it twisted. the best raiders are the ones who come prepared. that means having the right tools to analyze and parse the battle and your performance in it, and the right tools to improve/enhance your personal performance in it.

are you going to boycott food, too? surely if you're sooooo good at this game you don't need the extra 30 accuracy or 40 attack power. you're so elite you can roll through content without it. mega str pots? nope. GC rez items? nope, you don't need that. you don't need any of it.

in fact, why not just turn off your battle logs altogether? if you're a true gangster you roll without that stuff because you can perform at the highest level without it. and certainly you should never read guides or watch videos before trying a fight.

food is an option. potions are an option. rez items are an option. reading battle logs is an option. using online resources to better prepare is an option.

so is using addons.

so use them or don't. but where does the "i don't need that" logic stop, exactly? it's not like you're cheating if the game not only allows but encourages the use of items or mods.

your PoV sounds incredibly biased and not completely thought out.




(as far answering the question posed in the OP- that depends on whether the addon is good/helpful/well-designed or not)

[Elexia]

your PoV sounds incredibly biased

This sums up your entire post as you pretty much responded to nothing I even wrote.

[fusional]

This sums up your entire post as you pretty much responded to nothing I even wrote.

my post is biased toward experience and logic. your post is biased toward petty personal opinion. prove me wrong with a structured, intelligible, non-trollish response. and make sure to actually include real, applicable examples and make direct reference to your experience with specific encounters in this game and/or one that uses mods.

the problem is you won't do this. you'll just dodge and deflect as usual, as you've done again this time, because you've DONE nothing and you don't know what you're talking about. you're just blathering on overly loudly with your opinion on every topic and issue without base, as usual.

Would I use a boss addon that forces me to switch my brain off? Short answer hell no!!

Long answer: Anyone who uses these (although they say they don't) need them, they struggle with difficult battle mechanics and want to look uber and want the game to be as easy as possible.

your first comment: stupid. explain how it forces anything. explain how your post is remotely applicable in actual reality.

your second comment: stupid. i used mods and addons heavily in WoW, DBM being one of them, and yet i'm clearing content in this game faster than nearly anyone else. without mods. so try to explain that, kiddo. take your time.

[Preypacer]

This sums up your entire post as you pretty much responded to nothing I even wrote.

lol I thought the same thing.

"I require add-ons to defeat high end raid bosses. Why? 'cause I'm a pro raider".

lol.. what the hell is gaming culture coming to when needing add-ons to complete content qualifies as "pro-level". That bar just gets ever lower.

It's right up there with how people who require specific party setups, with specific character builds using specific strategies and specific add-ons in order to succeed at something, or they fall on their face, telling others to "learn how to play". The correct statement should be "Learn how to follow cookie-cutter guides to the letter, and use addons, 'cause I can't succeed otherwise. I'm too lazy and impatient to put in the effort of learning the fight through trial and error". That's all it boils down to.

The ones who actually know the game are those who understand the game mechanics well enough to make a variety of setups work, even when the "optimal everything" isn't feasible. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a group disband before it even started because the setup wasn't exactly 100% "what the guides say to do".

Of course MMO encounters had to get harder with add-ons available. They're supposed to be a challenge. The addons exist for the same reasons walkthrough guides and cookie-cutter templates do: To make "winning" in the game as easy as possible. When people are resorting to the above to defeat content, the developers kinda have to make the encounters more difficult, or it becomes a cake walk, and you end up with people complaining about "content being too easy".

How about just playing the damn game and learning encounters by paying attention and good old-fashioned trial and error?

Add-ons are a crutch. Not a necessity. The moment you concede requiring add-ons to complete content, in my opinion, you forfeit the right to associate yourself as "pro", or "expert" or "elite" anything. You definitely forfeit the right to tell anyone else to "learn to play".

[Starlord]

As long as I can make a Snake Eater ( MGS3) Add-on I'll be happy .

[Jynx]

Chances are the only add-ons I'll be using will be cosmetic only. If anything I'll use UI add-ons to remove HUD info when it's in the way.

[Preypacer]

Chances are the only add-ons I'll be using will be cosmetic only. If anything I'll use UI add-ons to remove HUD info when it's in the way.

This is what I'm hoping for.

Leave the crutches and training-wheels out of the game's more challenging content, please.

Addons like DBM are never necessary so long as people are willing to pay attention, learn the fights and actually attempt to improve. The problem lies in the fact that many people don't want to do that. They want the game to be as easy as possible. They want the win to be as guaranteed as they can make it. And if using an add-on to spoon-feed them the info that they would normally have to learn and pick up on by playing the game gets them their win/loot faster.. then that's all they care about.

My favorite rationalization is when people say something like "all the add-ons do is bring functionality into the game that the devs forgot to add and should have been there to begin with". Are you freaking kidding me? Because "you" (you being the people who use such ridiculous arguments) need a crutch to succeed at certain game content doesn't mean it's "missing from the game". It means you need a crutch to succeed at certain game content that is otherwise do-able without it.

[Ruisu]

Leave the crutches and training-wheels out of the game's more challenging content, please.

We should get rid of Relics and Darklight then, those are crutches. So are double melds.

Come on scrubs single melded Cobalt Claws step it up.