Atomos = Inflation...

[Almalexia]

I'm not going to get into it with the idiots who think this wasn't an exploit. The only people moaning about this are the ones too lazy to make gil legitimately.

It's not like people were buying from a busted NPC that pays more for its own goods than the sale price. There was no duping, no hacking, no trickery. It's business sense. I have played enough RPGs to know the first thing to look for in a token currency is a way to convert it into general currency. I was selling dark matter gained through GC before Atomos. Is that not legitimate? Does legitimacy end where vendoring begins?

Dawn drops are recruit-tier items. They have been available since there were seals to redeem. They have always been NPCable. If you could stomach the tedium, you were guaranteed at minimum ~1M gil of dawn drops every earth hour at the height of the gold rush. There was no market delay, no fluctuation in price and no competition. It was literally free money. Are you telling me whatever LEGITIMATE BUSINESS PRACTICE you engage in guarantees you 1 million gil every hour through the market wards?

[Darkillumina]

It's not like people were buying from a busted NPC that pays more for its own goods than the sale price. There was no duping, no hacking, no trickery. It's business sense. I have played enough RPGs to know the first thing to look for in a token currency is a way to convert it into general currency. I was selling dark matter gained through GC before Atomos. Is that not legitimate? Does legitimacy end where vendoring begins?

Dawn drops are recruit-tier items. They have been available since there were seals to redeem. They have always been NPCable. If you could stomach the tedium, you were guaranteed at minimum ~1M gil of dawn drops every earth hour at the height of the gold rush. There was no market delay, no fluctuation in price and no competition. It was literally free money. Are you telling me whatever LEGITIMATE BUSINESS PRACTICE you engage in guarantees you 1 million gil every hour through the market wards?

You are correct however.......

You don't take the time needed to buy up all the dawn drops and sell them into the equation. That takes a massive amount of time as does NPC'ing them all. If it were as easy as selling them by 999 and buying them up as a 999 stack then yes but as it stands it takes a looooong time to sell them. You can make more money doing other things. If it were as simple as 1 million instantly per hour than Atomos would be superior to everything.

I know it's hard for many of you to believe but not everyone made their money off of leve spam or anything else similar. Many people made tons of money by just having some common sense, leveling the right crafts/gathering classes and playing the markets wisely instead of blindly spending gil without thought to consequence. The ease of use in this method is what attracted so many to it. For people who do not have a crafting or gathering job leveled this was a godsend.

[Shougun]

You are correct however.......

You don't take the time needed to buy up all the dawn drops and sell them into the equation. That takes a massive amount of time as does NPC'ing them all. If it were as easy as selling them by 999 and buying them up as a 999 stack then yes but as it stands it takes a looooong time to sell them. You can make more money doing other things. If it were as simple as 1 million instantly per hour than Atomos would be superior to everything.

I know it's hard for many of you to believe but not everyone made their money off of leve spam or anything else similar. Many people made tons of money by just having some common sense, leveling the right crafts/gathering classes and playing the markets wisely instead of blindly spending gil without thought to consequence. The ease of use in this method is what attracted so many to it. For people who do not have a crafting or gathering job leveled this was a godsend.

You are right it takes a long time, but obviously it was waaay too much because they had to change the value to 1 gil.

And people are insane, so yeah you say long time they say EASEEH GILLS!!

Another problem is, people would sell their easy crystals (you never die to atomos if you pay attention to your aggro) for 1 mil, then someone would buy that and turn it into ~600K profit on bots or insanity. Its not so bad if you clear your inventory out first - I made 4 mil doing the dawn drops. 2 mil from selling crystals - and I got all my GC gears / side quest items.

So it became a cycle of easy peezy gil.

[Almalexia]

You are correct however.......

You don't take the time needed to buy up all the dawn drops and sell them into the equation. That takes a massive amount of time as does NPC'ing them all. If it were as easy as selling them by 999 and buying them up as a 999 stack then yes but as it stands it takes a looooong time to sell them. You can make more money doing other things. If it were as simple as 1 million instantly per hour than Atomos would be superior to everything.

I know it's hard for many of you to believe but not everyone made their money off of leve spam or anything else similar. Many people made tons of money by just having some common sense, leveling the right crafts/gathering classes and playing the markets wisely instead of blindly spending gil without thought to consequence. The ease of use in this method is what attracted so many to it. For people who do not have a crafting or gathering job leveled this was a godsend.

That's a fair point. I say we take a look at that equation.

12,000 seals = 8000 drops
2 seconds per transaction of 10 drops
800 transactions = 1600 seconds or about 26.6 minutes

8000 drops = 81 inventory spaces
2 seconds per transaction of 1 stack of drops
81 transactions = 162 seconds or about 2.7 minutes

Altogether it takes about half an hour to turn 12,000 GC seals into 8,000 drops into 1,000,000 gil. That's plenty of time to make 1M before the next Atomos pop. The only limiting factor is the rate at which Atomos spawns (about every earth hour).

Common sense tells me Atomos was hysterically lucrative.

Edit: I will just say I am skeptical you make an honest 1M every hour through traditional means.

[Sabaku_Usagi]

That's a fair point. I say we take a look at that equation.

12,000 seals = 8000 drops
2 seconds per transaction of 10 drops
800 transactions = 1600 seconds or about 26.6 minutes

8000 drops = 81 inventory spaces
2 seconds per transaction of 1 stack of drops
81 transactions = 162 seconds or about 2.7 minutes

Altogether it takes about half an hour to turn 12,000 GC seals into 8,000 drops into 1,000,000 gil. That's plenty of time to make 1M before the next Atomos pop. The only limiting factor is the rate at which Atomos spawns (about every earth hour).

Common sense tells me Atomos was hysterically lucrative.

Edit: I will just say I am skeptical you make an honest 1M every hour through traditional means.

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

[Shougun]

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

I dont know what either of you are talking about its a second or less for me. And you can place your mouse to buy at the same time you are hitting enter to go even faster.

Sure its boring as hell but if you go hardcore pro on it - they needed to fix it day one. Now we got a funky ass inflow that doesnt belong.

[Sabaku_Usagi]

I dont know what either of you are talking about its a second or less for me. And you can place your mouse to buy at the same time you are hitting enter to go even faster.

Sure its boring as hell but if you go hardcore pro on it - they needed to fix it day one. Now we got a funky ass inflow that doesnt belong.

Well you're one of the few people who don't have to deal with buy/sell lag?

We're also dealing with massive purchasing and while you may be able to do your first set of purchases quickly, maybe even your second set eventually you will slow down and your purchase speed will decrease.

The whole point behind why I pointed out the difference in time is just how slow this method is when used numerous times. In a perfect scenario sure, 2s & 2s *might* be best case, but I know in my experience those times were greatly increased.

So 4 seconds compared to 8 seconds makes a really big difference, that 2m/hr is pretty skewed and it's more like 1m/hour if that's all you did. Also, people purchased crystals as well if they didn't have time to do the atomos farming. I bought mine for 14k/each so that perfect "1m/hr" turned into 300k/hr.

Conclusion: I just wanted to point out that while it was good money, it wasn't incredible money for the average person who didn't farm 100% of their crystals and turn in their crystals at a blinding speed. Also, I had no clue about the dawn drops until I read about it on the forums... So yet another reason why this became an over-abused system.

[Shougun]

Well you're one of the few people who don't have to deal with buy/sell lag?

We're also dealing with massive purchasing and while you may be able to do your first set of purchases quickly, maybe even your second set eventually you will slow down and your purchase speed will decrease.

The whole point behind why I pointed out the difference in time is just how slow this method is when used numerous times. In a perfect scenario sure, 2s & 2s *might* be best case, but I know in my experience those times were greatly increased.

So 4 seconds compared to 8 seconds makes a really big difference, that 2m/hr is pretty skewed and it's more like 1m/hour if that's all you did. Also, people purchased crystals as well if they didn't have time to do the atomos farming. I bought mine for 14k/each so that perfect "1m/hr" turned into 300k/hr.

Conclusion: I just wanted to point out that while it was good money, it wasn't incredible money for the average person who didn't farm 100% of their crystals and turn in their crystals at a blinding speed. Also, I had no clue about the dawn drops until I read about it on the forums... So yet another reason why this became an over-abused system.

It's slow but so is a lot of other things like grinding crafts. Doesnt stop people from doing it. Specially when its the easiest gil ever.

Also the people doing it are probably doing it right - clearing your inventory for less trips, perhaps using family (I know of three cases that did this), and I can only assume the RMT's I've watched were using bots.

Expecting MMO players to have a life is yeah.. :P . The gil from this system is bad because it is fresh printed gil - it wasnt a trade of hands like a lot of sells are (which have taxes for gil sinks).

[Anakhu]

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

do't sell it in lag infested ul dah, find a lonely npc vendor wanting company for a few minutes and theres very little market lag

[Almalexia]

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

I think 2s is average. Maybe I'm wrong, so I took a stopwatch to my GC and bought as many hi-potions of vitality as I could in 1 minute.

I started from an open redemption menu with the cursor over the item. The clock started after the first stroke of Enter. I used my technique of holding the left arrow key after the buy dialog box opens so I would only have to press Enter (holding the left arrow key will automatically move the cursor from "cancel" to "buy" on all future transactions and won't cause the item menu to navigate up a page).

The results after 1 minute:

185 hi-potions of vitality @ 5 potions per transaction = 37 transactions in one minute
800 transactions/37 transactions in one minute = 21.6 minutes

So, actually, 2s per transaction is an over-estimation. It takes less than that. Altogether, it would take less than 25 minutes to convert 12,000 seals into 8000 drops into 1M gil.

See for yourself. 185 vit pots are only 1850 seals. Try to beat my high score!