Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[bobbygunz]

Their words. They changed the animations (downgraded) to have better movement for PvP play.

lol, they just downgraded them because they're lazy. It's just PR-speak/lies.

[Wynn]

lol, they just downgraded them because they're lazy. It's just PR-speak/lies.

That doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

It would create more work to remove something from the game than to just leave it alone.

[bobbygunz]

That doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

It would create more work to remove something from the game than to just leave it alone.

Oh yeah i forgot we live in some alternate dimension where FFXIV 2.0 is using the same engine as 1.0.

Oh wait, that's right it isn't.

[Nemy]

You guys complain about every little thing.

-Complain

1. to express resentment, displeasure, etc., esp habitually; grumble
2. (foll by of) to state the presence of pain, illness, etc., esp in the hope of sympathy

-Concern

-A troubled or anxious state of mind arising from solicitude or interest

How can we "complain" if none of us knows the state of the animation on release?

We are "concerned" that the animation will be downgraded, and we try to explain why it *would* be bad if it really gets downgraded.

ENGLISH.

Use them accurately.

[HiirNoivl]

You guys complain about every little thing.

[Wynn]

Oh yeah i forgot we live in some alternate dimension where FFXIV 2.0 is using the same engine as 1.0.

Oh wait, that's right it isn't.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?

If you think they didn't largely port over what was already there and build from there, I've got news for you.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Oh yeah i forgot we live in some alternate dimension where FFXIV 2.0 is using the same engine as 1.0.

Oh wait, that's right it isn't.

For how much you think you'll complain on this loldowngrade you like so much ? You're more and more pathetic.
Yes, texture detail will be downgraded as now , but we'll have dinamic light and shadows with a lighter engine. Sounds a good deal if you ask me.

[Raubahn]

OP i hope you have seen XIV 1.0 pre alpha i really do from the bottom of my heart i really do.
you see your whoooooooole "concern" about the movements is based on a Pre-alpha for 2.0 shown in gamescom 2012 and like FFXIV 1.0 three years ago when it was in pre-alpha state the movements were like 2.0 pre-alpha one.

yoshi already said that the game hasnt reached a finished state gdi we already have 2-4 months away since its finished too.

but in the end i really get why he decided to put a live letter now its for these meaningless threads that are going like yours that complain or have a "concern" about every little thing in 2.0. to me and to some guys (maybe) who are saying to you its a pre-alpha or even "this thread again" its like "eating raw meat before cooking it"

[Randelmire]

-Complain

1. to express resentment, displeasure, etc., esp habitually; grumble
2. (foll by of) to state the presence of pain, illness, etc., esp in the hope of sympathy

-Concern

-A troubled or anxious state of mind arising from solicitude or interest

How can we "complain" if none of us knows the state of the animation on release?

We are "concerned" that the animation will be downgraded, and we try to explain why it *would* be bad if it really gets downgraded.

ENGLISH.

Use them accurately.

Congratulations, you can read a dictionnary.

[Nemy]

Pre Alpha means, that the current Game.... has not reached the Alpha-Stage

Exactly.

Using a pencil is not Pre-Alpha State

Using a pencil is something that takes place -by your own definition- before the Alpha. Therefore.... (i'll let you figure it out by yourself.)

Pre-Alpha is not a "stage". It is simply a term to define the time BEFORE the game is ready for an Alpha test, and as i already explained, that time could be either years or minutes before the actual Alpha test.

Get -your own- definitions straight.

Fine tuning is something you wont see in an Alpha, period.

Well, wrong. If you agree that an Alpha is not a stage of core development, then IDEALLY, the remaining changes can be defined as "fine tuning". That being said, i'm not denying the fact that changes of core elements can even occur in Beta, depending on the situation.

AA has nothing do to with Character-Animation. AA is to improve the Graphic... <_< Didn't you just say you know the difference?

This is where i'm starting to question your intellectual capacity. Let's see what you're replying to :

-"i know the difference between character animation and adding a +8 AA a week after open beta."

And now let me simplify it :

Its like me saying : "I know the difference between apples and oranges"

And you replying : "Apples have nothing to do with oranges, apples are red and... i thought you knew the difference between apples and oranges"

I mean, reading comprehension man... focus.

If you think fine-tuning is all about graphical aspects, then you are wrong.

I don't. I sure don't think though that changing the core moving animation of characters can be considered "fine tuning". What is your point?

Are you working for SE that you actually know what they implemented yet, did not implement, adjusted, did not adjust, showed, did not show?

Let's see what you're replying to again :

-"If you do understand what animation is, you could even go as far as dismissing my concern as meaningless, since we're so close to alpha that nothing this big can change at this point."

Protip : Any sentence that starts with "If you... you could even go as far as..." proposes a hypothetical situation. No i don't know what SE will do with the animation, nor did i ever claimed to know.

Game-Animation is of course something "big", if you want to call it that but it is still common for Demo-Vid esp. in Alpha-States to not show every single Animation, since certain of them maybe does not look the way the Developer wants it to be.

You could, -and i hope- you're right. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make our concerns public early on though, just in case the animation is heading the "subjectively wrong" way. We have every right under freedom of speech and just plain logic, to address the issue and ask for clarifications at this time. That's all there is to it.

-implying- It's your own concern and you claim to know the future state of animation in ARR

Oh-really.jpg

Look around you. I'm obviously not the only one concerned about this issue. So its *our* not *my* concern.

You should go back a few pages and recheck what you've said.

Go back yourself and find me one single quote where i claim to KNOW the future state of the animation in ARR.

I wish you good luck on your journey, and may gods have mercy on your soul.

do you think the Alpha-Forum/Beta-Forum are there to have Small-talk about the weather?

Compared to character animation, the rest of the issues usually addressed during Alpha/Beta, can be considered small talk about the weather. A bugged quest compared to animation is really, small talk. Again, i'm not absolute here, big stuff can change. Though the fact remains : The sooner you address some issues, the better.

You must really work for SE, since i cant find a given Date of Alpha-testing.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Frequently Asked Questions - When will the alpha test begin?

Square Enix - We are currently aiming to start the alpha test sometime this fall.

I said November since its the last month of ... the fall.

you will be proven wrong, as soon as the Release is about to happen.

To be "proven wrong" i need to have a position, a thesis, or an argument. Since i, (and also we) only have a concern and i ask for clarification and awareness, i can't be "proven wrong" per se.

I sure hope that you're right though, and the amazing work of the animators doesn't get thrown away.