In regards to Jumping in 2.0/realm reborn

[Xmbei]

Actually most of the comparisons to jumping here bear no relevance to the issue of realism.

Honestly I think people just want jump because other games have jump. The fact that XI had no jump and its community did fine, or people played the game for 10 years with not being able to jump never changing an inch of the experience should be brought to the table. Games can work with jump, and can work without it. It's a choice. But if you are going to implement it, I think you really should do it right, try to fit the experience with the current feel of the game. And the current game should not allow for spammable jumps, nor jumps that look dumb, straight out of the generic mmo FF isn't.

Running around, emoting, talking, whatever annoying thing you have as argument to jumping being just another one in fact doesn't work, simply because jumping is an effort beyond any of those, and an irrelevant one at that. No one needs to jump in XIV. You do need to talk, move, take out your weapon. (with the exception of emotes, which you don't really need). Try jumping while running 500 m somewhere. You just can't do it. It doesn't feel right. And the fact that there isn't a smooth animation when you land, or any delay only makes it worse. Sure, you're a fucking dragoon, you're a super hero who can defeat behemoths and save the world. It won't change the fact that jumping around will just make it unrealistic.

Leave the fantasy where it is needed, like fighting monsters and casting spells. FF is a very realistic fantasy game, and it should remain that way if it wants to be set apart from other mmos.

Okay ARR is a New not current xiv all of you need to get that out of your head. Yes jumping doesnt work in current static ffxiv. But who are we to say it doesnt work in a pretty much new game on a new engine and new maps and new game elements. Stop saying 2.0 is the current game because the fact is... It is not.

[Kikosho]

Actually most of the comparisons to jumping here bear no relevance to the issue of realism.

Honestly I think people just want jump because other games have jump. The fact that XI had no jump and its community did fine, or people played the game for 10 years with not being able to jump never changing an inch of the experience should be brought to the table. Games can work with jump, and can work without it. It's a choice. But if you are going to implement it, I think you really should do it right, try to fit the experience with the current feel of the game. And the current game should not allow for spammable jumps, nor jumps that look dumb, straight out of the generic mmo FF isn't.

Running around, emoting, talking, whatever annoying thing you have as argument to jumping being just another one in fact doesn't work, simply because jumping is an effort beyond any of those, and an irrelevant one at that. No one needs to jump in XIV. You do need to talk, move, take out your weapon. (with the exception of emotes, which you don't really need). Try jumping while running 500 m somewhere. You just can't do it. It doesn't feel right. And the fact that there isn't a smooth animation when you land, or any delay only makes it worse. Sure, you're a fucking dragoon, you're a super hero who can defeat behemoths and save the world. It won't change the fact that jumping around will just make it unrealistic.

Leave the fantasy where it is needed, like fighting monsters and casting spells. FF is a very realistic fantasy game, and it should remain that way if it wants to be set apart from other mmos.

I wonder if your memory is just bad or you're remembering what you want to remember. This is the same Final Fantasy series where you play underwater soccer. The same series where you slash at somebody 20 times (with a couple jumps tossed in there) when you reach your limit. The same series where you SUPLEX A TRAIN. Yeah.

[Spellstar]

troll thread anyway, he knows this has been flogged to death

[rockman0]

Honestly, the whole "people are going to be abusing jumping" argument is pointless. I'm pretty sure it won't be as rampant as people are making it out to be. Sure, you may get one or two people here or there that feel the need to jump up and down for a while, but it definitely won't be the "omg jump party at 5!" disaster that people are crying out about. Every other MMO has had that ability, and it was never a problem for them either.

The whole "realism" argument is moot as well. Final Fantasy is as distant from reality as can possibly be. I mean, fantasy (it's even in the game's title) pretty much means "the opposite of reality" or "not realistic." Yeah, the graphics are good, probably the best for any other MMO out there, but graphics do not equal realistic. I mean, the sky is literally falling in this game, for pete's sake.

[Firon]

LOL @Final Fantasy is "REALISTIC" LMAO wtf are you guys rly smoking on something? Lets see flying to the moon on what looks like a whale or jumping 100 ft in the air to kill something or how about 1 person fighting like 100 ppl or how about getting shot in the face and just shrug it off? Need I continue?

[Spellstar]

LOL @Final Fantasy is "REALISTIC" LMAO wtf are you guys rly smoking on something? Lets see flying to the moon on what looks like a whale or jumping 100 ft in the air to kill something or how about 1 person fighting like 100 ppl or how about getting shot in the face and just shrug it off? Need I continue?

Please do, we're hanging off your every word.

[Spellstar]

Honestly, the whole "people are going to be abusing jumping" argument is pointless. I'm pretty sure it won't be as rampant as people are making it out to be. Sure, you may get one or two people here or there that feel the need to jump up and down for a while, but it definitely won't be the "omg jump party at 5!" disaster that people are crying out about. Every other MMO has had that ability, and it was never a problem for them either.

The whole "realism" argument is moot as well. Final Fantasy is as distant from reality as can possibly be. I mean, fantasy (it's even in the game's title) pretty much means "the opposite of reality" or "not realistic." Yeah, the graphics are good, probably the best for any other MMO out there, but graphics do not equal realistic. I mean, the sky is literally falling in this game, for pete's sake.

no one is talking about realism, they are talking real as in real video game characters can jump, and jumping enhances our immersion in these games.

If you dont like it, theres a wide selection of other titles available, because you aint gonna change nothing.
hugz & bunnies
xxxxx

[rockman0]

no one is talking about realism, they are talking real as in real video game characters can jump, and jumping enhances our immersion in these games.

If you dont like it, theres a wide selection of other titles available, because you aint gonna change nothing.
hugz & bunnies
xxxxx

I'll give you that I could have possibly might have somehow inadvertently kind of maybe misinterpreted the whole "realism" argument that people keep bringing up. but either way, it doesn't make any sense.

secondly, I'm not sure who your last sentence is directed to. I've never said that I didn't like anything, and I've never said that I'm trying to change anything. As a matter of fact, I'm looking forward to having jump in the game.

And again, I'll admit that maybe you weren't directing the last part towards me. I don't know.

[Gramul]

I'm terrified but enthralled.

[MrKupo]

I will state what I said earlier AGAIN. The whole world knows that Jumping is coming to a FF: MMO near you. The WHOLE GAMING WORLD (if they decided to open an article about xiv). SE is getting praise from the press and outside gamers for this. Can you see the backlash to an all ready deminished game in the eyes of the gaming world to see SE add a feature they wanted initially back in 2010, being removed because some of the current player base says it ruins the game for them? It would be disasterous, that is why it is beating a dead horse, it is now EXPECTED to be in release.

Seriously people have you not actually read any of Yoshi-P's letters yes he will listen to us, but he is going to listen more to a player base he is trying to GET to play the game. That is the more important thing for SE atm. If they lose 500 people who don't like Jumping and obtaining 100,000 MMO players that expect it as a basic function of an MMO it is a smart business move for them to do.

Edit: Also in current player base I am pretty sure there are more that want it or just don't care either way on the matter, and are more worried about combat and actual meat to the game then a convenience in travel feature. Also a greater majority of players don't come to the forums due to grief like this, and just want an enjoyable game, they just want something different then what they got at 1.0 release. Again I am not saying there is not more than 500 that don't want it or don't want it changed but in the larger FFXIV and gaming community there is more that want it as a feature, or don't care. So again both sides can elaborate their numbers. But in a fiscally benificial business model move SE saw and came to decision to add jump, introduced to not 1 but 3 Gaming conventions and it is all over in Game interviews. The general gaming community that is now interested in FFXIV that were not before know that Jumping is coming to FFXIV. If they remove it now the same opinion that these news sites and players had at 1.0 release will remain if not worse and it will get trashed again. Yoshi-p nor SE want this to happen so they will not be removing it. Because in 1.0 we were promised a lot of things at release that was not there and bit them in the arse, so they are not going to repeat their same mistakes again just because in true reality its a smaller gaming population that don't want it then there is of one that expects it as a feature.

I never said I was against jumping. But these guys are artists if anything else. And the best thing they can get is feedback. To see the video and say "yeah, we'll take that" instead of actually giving them feedback on how to improve is not helping. The worst thing you can do to an artist's work in progress is say it is fine the way it is.

I welcome jumping. I'm excited for the freedom (as seen in the video jumping from the watchtower). But I don't want to let the game be done haphazardly again. If you've ever done an art piece or anything that requires feedback in your life, you'd know that sometimes you are blind to your own mistakes simply because you're the one that made them. We should be encouraging feedback and critique, not getting all defensive and cry cry over it.