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    Player Mijin's Avatar
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    Why would you ever play ARC? I Hate the Class System.

    Based on the current skills that exist in the game, I don't see how it will be beneficial to play Arcanist over Summoner. The class system is really pointless to me. As far as I'm aware the only class currently that has any utility over it's respective job is Archer. I don't ever think it's worth lowering your dmg/skills to drop Blm for Thm just to get raise, and I can see the same issue existing with Smn/Arc.

    The other potential problem I see with the class system is when they want to add more jobs to the game. Say for example they want to branch Dark Knight off Gladiator sometime in the future. Dark Knight will have 90% of the same skills as Paladin... Not only that it forces Dark Knight, or any other classes they want to branch off Gladiator to be a tank.

    Idk why they don't just get rid of the class system and stick with the traditional approach to the jobs. It would be less restrictive, cleaner, and just more logical. several skills isn't enough to distinguish between two different jobs in the future, and giving up your job skills make it almost never worth playing the class instead.
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    Last edited by Mijin; 09-01-2012 at 11:11 PM.

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    Because they're redesigning the entire stats and combat system again and giving new abilities so we really have no idea what any of it will be.
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    Lets see first what going to hapen on 2.0 couse there will be a lot of change of clasess and jobs
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    ARC -> Archer.

    Arcanist will likely be ACN.
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    Player Mijin's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    ARC -> Archer.

    Arcanist will likely be ACN.
    Probably but you get the drift.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sephrick View Post
    Because they're redesigning the entire stats and combat system again and giving new abilities so we really have no idea what any of it will be.
    Aside from the limit break system, and the fact that you don't need tp to use weapon skills. It all looks pretty much the same to me from the game play footage I've seen. Even if they changed every skill in the game it seems to me like their efforts would be better spent on tossing the class system our and adding some of the entirely unique and traditional jobs to the game.

    I just don't get what it's all for. The class system was the original design teams concept, and it was not well received. Then they decided to add jobs, but they kept the class system around for what reason? I think it was to keep people who were playing the game and liked the class system happy too, but it's just a crappy system imo and a waste of time/effort when they could be working on adding more new jobs.
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    Last edited by Mijin; 09-01-2012 at 11:22 PM.

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    Well if they still have the system set up like it is now. You'll have to play arcanist to even open up summoner since it's the "advanced" job for that class

    and the system isn't all that different from the earlier ff games

    to be more proficient for rdm you went to Red Wizard and so on... but *shrugs*
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    Last edited by Rannie; 09-01-2012 at 11:19 PM.
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    I wonder how difficult it would be to revise the game to get rid of the class system and focus solely on jobs, without pushing back 2.0 too far back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijin View Post
    Idk why they don't just get rid of the class system and stick with the traditional approach to the jobs. It would be less restrictive, cleaner, and just more logical. several skills isn't enough to distinguish between two different jobs in the future, and giving up your job skills make it almost never worth playing the class instead.
    There are situations where classes is better than jobs. Example in the Darnus (hard) fight a THM is better than a BLM, because the THM can use Sentinel and AoE Sanguite Rite.
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    You don't understand the utility of classes because up until now we've just had 7 of 'em with a very basic specialization(jobs) of each. You can't mix and match to create a versatile skill set if we only have 15 per each class to choose from, especially if many of them are locked to their respective classes. Once we get more classes and thus options, along with the new content Yoshi P is designing for class play in mind, you'll start to see their purpose.

    In other words, don't blow your lid just yet just because you haven't seen something yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijin View Post
    "It all looks pretty much the same to me from the game play footage I've seen."

    "I just don't get what it's all for."

    "Then they decided to add jobs, but they kept the class system around for what reason? I think it was to keep people who were playing the game and liked the class system happy too, but it's just a crappy system imo and a waste of time/effort when they could be working on adding more new jobs.
    Basing your arguments on a pre alpha gameplay video. I see.

    It was stated long, long, long time ago the reason why the classes were kept along with jobs. Time and time again the usefulness of classes has been proven. You just choose to not "understand" it and "see" the reason why they are there.
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