[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

An exploit is a bug in the system, that was not meant to be there. That can be used to give players an advantage.

The ability to fail leves, and be able to do them the next reset was added in a patch

Therefore, it is not an exploit, period. Working as intended, who knows(it was originaly changed to be this way so people who fail can have another chance at their reward), but not an exploit.

If you dont want to do it, fine dont do it, but dont hate on people who use it to level.

an exploit is using a system it was not meant for or intended. like Aion with hatling your leveling to remain a mid level to enter the same rift to pretty much farm pvp points easily to gain pvp armor faster.

its called exploiting a system. But yes you can exploit a bug and a glitch also.

[Jibe]

it was originaly changed to be this way so people who fail can have another chance at their reward

That makes alot of sense. So possibly unintended consequence of a change made for another reason? I sure hope SE has plans in the pipeline to make this better and I sure hope someone from the SE community team will post them here.

Off topic: Kilta foglahdha, people get all fired up cause you haven't played the game. Nobody is saying your opinion doens't matter, but people don't like being preached to by someone who has less experience with something than they do.

[Krausus]

an exploit is achiving anything easier. Don't need to be a glitch or anything. Like Aion. When you die you loose exp. ppl are using this to perma level or stick to the same level. There is no glitch or anything you just kill yourself repeatedly till you have an insane buyback for exp. who is this an expoit? you stick to lvl 35 which allowes you to enter a rift that leads to a zone with a level range of 35. You essially kill and earn pvp points after to twink your character who @ 35 can kill a level 50.

The leve abandoning sounds similar to that you fail a level to redo it to get the most sp from it.

You are not getting the most SP from it in fact you loose out on SP from doing it from one kill, what you are doing is ensuring that you have this leave available 36 hours later. you are not getting an unfair advantage from it unlike the Aion one you speak of that does give an unfair advantage.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

no, forcing peopel to play the way you want them to play, thats what you are trying to do

not reallly just a suggestion that no one needed to reply on. I personally don;t care I just hate when ppl exploit systems. It happen in Aion and ruined the game for tons of ppl.
again please prove me wrong so I can applogise.

[TheVedis]

That makes alot of sense. So possibly unintended consequence of a change made for another reason? I sure hope SE has plans in the pipeline to make this better and I sure hope someone from the SE community team will post them here.

Off topic: Kilta foglahdha, people get all fired up cause you haven't played the game. Nobody is saying your opinion doens't matter, but people don't like being preached to by someone who has less experience with something than they do.

Yes, the change wasnt intended for this specificaly, but it has been commented on by SE that its ok to do it as is because you are losing the reward in the process. Its a trade off.

So in the end, it worked out as it is going on right now.

This isnt to say things wont change in the future, but right now, it is working as intended in its own right.

[TheVedis]

not reallly just a suggestion that no one needed to reply on. I personally don;t care I just hate when ppl exploit systems. It happen in Aion and ruined the game for tons of ppl.
again please prove me wrong so I can applogise.

you apperently do care if you argue so much about so many things, in a game YOU DO NOT EVEN PLAY.

[Jibe]

Yes, the change wasnt intended for this specificaly, but it has been commented on by SE that its ok to do it as is because you are losing the reward in the process. Its a trade off.

So in the end, it worked out as it is going on right now.

This isnt to say things wont change in the future, but right now, it is working as intended in its own right.

So I understand about the patch notes, but where was it commented on by SE that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process? Is that in the patch notes too?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

You are not getting the most SP from it in fact you loose out on SP from doing it from one kill, what you are doing is ensuring that you have this leave available 36 hours later. you are not getting an unfair advantage from it unlike the Aion one you speak of that does give an unfair advantage.

its actually the same thing. the unfair advantage is you repeat the same levequest to "level faster" in a sence the death thing is ppl using an intented penalty at their advantage. pretty much failing and restarting the same guildleve is using it to your advantage. which make it an exploit. since it wasn't truely meant for that pupose. but again someone prove me wrong i'm full willing to appologise.

and honestly no one has any justified reason to have been rude to me. Sorry i'm not insulting anyone or trying to. I'm not trying to force ppl to do anything. I just had a suggestion which ppl could ignore. And the levequest system is nothing new a few ganes I did play have similar systems.

[DeadRiser]

So I understand about the patch notes, but where was it commented on by SE that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process? Is that in the patch notes too?

I'm not trying to be rude, but I would like to see this too. I keep seeing it and I would like some kind of proof

[Chardrizard]

So I understand about the patch notes, but where was it commented on by SE that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process? Is that in the patch notes too?

SE didnt say its ok to do 'failing leves on purpose for maximize SP', but they didnt say its wrong as well because they clearly KNOWS its happening when necrologos bugs is fixed.

but, this is some facts:
1. the ability to REDO leves when u FAILED a leve is on purpose, it was designed for people that disconnected ingame.

2. you do not get FACTION POINT or ANY REWARD when you FAILED a leve, which is needed to do NM leves.