[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

i wish they remove the reset completely and have ppl do levequests non stop and set it up to be more like fov pages just with the quest attached. and get rewarded a nice sp vs gil and items. well maybe a lil gil.

I also wouldn't mind a counter at each camp so ppl can just stay in the camps vs going into town (saves anima i would assume)

[Randis]

i wish they remove the reset completely and have ppl do levequests non stop and set it up to be more like fov pages just with the quest attached. and get rewarded a nice sp vs gil and items. well maybe a lil gil.

I also wouldn't mind a counter at each camp so ppl can just stay in the camps vs going into town (saves anima i would assume)

I guess you still didn't play FFXIV...
without a reset people would just do leves all day for easy SP, the game would be a complete no brainer.
Faction leves would loose value and people would have more guildmarks than they can spend.

[SizeMatters]

A lot of people fail leves on purpose and the game shouldn't be played this way.
This is how my LS does leves.. Grab 3 leves for one camp then wait for the next reset and grab more leves for that camp for more links (each person could have up to 4-6 leves). I've gained up to 65k or more SP by doing this

[Jibe]

There are some slight similarities but guildleves are different in one major aspect. You can't intentionally fail FOV pages to receive greater exp/sp rewards.

If they add a system where you get most or all of the sp at the end of the leve and change it so you don't fail if you dc that would be a possible solution. That is the core of Alexia idea earlier in the thread.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

There are some slight similarities but guildleves are different in one major aspect. You can't intentionally fail FOV pages to receive greater exp/sp rewards.

If they add a system where you get most or all of the sp at the end of the leve and change it so you don't fail if you dc that would be a possible solution. That is the core of Alexia idea earlier in the thread.

i would take that over gil or item rewards tbh and have them be nin stop. no bs timer. I liked FOV pages alot. It made partying funner as ppl actually talked when running back to get pages. ppl talked about what pages to do etc. It also makes leveling have a purpose. You don't just go and "mindlessly" pick a group of mobs to kill over and over just because you deam it so. I felt bad for needlessly killing manies. those are super cute. I even did the mandy quest for the flower top mandies to gimi a nice regen. the effects was epicly cute.

[darkstarpoet1]

that's why i said they should make all leves available each reset and the sp should be adjusted to get them all around the same sp. grouping is done to get maximum efficiency while in group. if you do it making people complete the leves to get the rewards you will see smaller groups and more people going solo. you then would run your leves solo while others do theirs then group to go grind for max sp an hour. i know for example i am not going to run in a group of 8 people and run 64 leves every reset.

make the leves available, but still allow you to only choose the 8 you want. that would allow a group to work together and rotate which leves you run each time and not be worried about failing a leve. i do not want to get stuck with a bunch of leves such as "where's the meat" reset after reset.

[Krausus]

that's why i said they should make all leves available each reset and the sp should be adjusted to get them all around the same sp. grouping is done to get maximum efficiency while in group. if you do it making people complete the leves to get the rewards you will see smaller groups and more people going solo. you then would run your leves solo while others do theirs then group to go grind for max sp an hour. i know for example i am not going to run in a group of 8 people and run 64 leves every reset.

make the leves available, but still allow you to only choose the 8 you want. that would allow a group to work together and rotate which leves you run each time and not be worried about failing a leve. i do not want to get stuck with a bunch of leves such as "where's the meat" reset after reset.

totally agree

[Kilta_Firelotus]

1 then ppl play wrong and slowly. sorry but thats kinda silly they would rather do 8 only then grouping up with other ppl letting them pick a harder setting. In away your helping them and are rewarded for it.
2 I'm not. I play to have fun

But i can see why ppl "fear the leecher" << if you get the joke :P
thet feel if you don;t have levequests your just leeching on theirs. Even though that isn't the case. Man ppl are silly in this game. Personally id be all for forming a party no matter if ppl had leves or not. I just play for fun

I think persinally ppl take this game to seruiusly and its aiding its failur. No one is truely using taking full advantage of the system. And exploiting it in a sence.
Least that is what it seems like to me based on what was said.

if this is wrong correct it. I'm a very smart person and quicky understand ppl alot of the time.

[Krausus]

1 then ppl play wrong and slowly. sorry but thats kinda silly they would rather do 8 only then grouping up with other ppl letting them pick a harder setting. In away your helping them and are rewarded for it.
2 I'm not. I play to have fun

But i can see why ppl "fear the leecher" << if you get the joke :P
thet feel if you don;t have levequests your just leeching on theirs. Even though that isn't the case. Man ppl are silly in this game. Personally id be all for forming a party no matter if ppl had leves or not. I just play for fun

I think persinally ppl take this game to seruiusly and its aiding its failur. No one is truely using taking full advantage of the system. And exploiting it in a sence.
Least that is what it seems like to me based on what was said.

if this is wrong correct it. I'm a very smart person and quicky understand ppl alot of the time.

well I think you misunderstand a bit people do group up for the good leves, if you do it right if all 8 people have the same 3 good leves (because from 32 to 50 you are stuck at camp broken water with only 3 good leves) that can essentially last you a good couple of hours, then you choose, do we want to do the shity leves for the same sp we would be getting if we grind raptors with all the extra running involved or should we just go do raptors.

Also I mentioned unless you are in an LS group, which means no one cares if you have leves (at least in my LS) you are more then welcome to come. Outside of this type of group it is polite to also bring leves.

[darkstarpoet1]

1 then ppl play wrong and slowly. sorry but thats kinda silly they would rather do 8 only then grouping up with other ppl letting them pick a harder setting. In away your helping them and are rewarded for it.
2 I'm not. I play to have fun

But i can see why ppl "fear the leecher" << if you get the joke :P
thet feel if you don;t have levequests your just leeching on theirs. Even though that isn't the case. Man ppl are silly in this game. Personally id be all for forming a party no matter if ppl had leves or not. I just play for fun

I think persinally ppl take this game to seruiusly and its aiding its failur. No one is truely using taking full advantage of the system. And exploiting it in a sence.
Least that is what it seems like to me based on what was said.

if this is wrong correct it. I'm a very smart person and quicky understand ppl alot of the time.

actually it is the case in the means of leeching. if they do not have leves to contribute and are in your party they are leeching in the fact that the sp goes down the more people are in the party. get a group with 6 people with all having leves and get a group of 15 people with 6 of them having leves and the 15 will be getting less than half the sp per kill.

as far as your #1 some of the leves take 20-30 minutes to complete. let's see 64x30min you have 32 hours of leves in a 36 hour cycle without any breaks or sleep then start the cycle over. that would constantly leave people out and not getting to complete their leves. how is that anymore beneficial than taking 3-4 hours for a group and everyone getting to run their leves? notice i said 64 which is only an 8 person party. max party size is 15 so you figure out how to run 60 hours of leves within a 36 hour time frame then we can talk about playing too slowly.

most of the leves people run over and over are the ones that take the longest to do hence more sp. they do have leves you can go and run and kill 2 mobs and the leve is over. i used "where's the meat" as an example and you kill aldgoats til you get 2 pieces of meat from them. alot of times that leve is 2 mobs 2 kills and maybe 200sp for the entire leve. it takes only 1-2 minutes to complete it.

you could run it all you want to, but compare it to lightsome verdure which is gnats you have to collect 5 pages from them and they drop randomly from the pairs of mobs. each mob gives more sp than the whole other leve and they come in pairs. figure out why people choose to get 500 a kill on at least 10 mobs compared to 2 kills on mobs around 100 sp each.