[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[TheVedis]

An exploit is a bug in the system, that was not meant to be there. That can be used to give players an advantage.

The ability to fail leves, and be able to do them the next reset was added in a patch

Therefore, it is not an exploit, period. Working as intended, who knows(it was originaly changed to be this way so people who fail can have another chance at their reward), but not an exploit.

If you dont want to do it, fine dont do it, but dont hate on people who use it to level.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

An exploit is a bug in the system, that was not meant to be there. That can be used to give players an advantage.

The ability to fail leves, and be able to do them the next reset was added in a patch

Therefore, it is not an exploit, period. Working as intended, who knows(it was originaly changed to be this way so people who fail can have another chance at their reward), but not an exploit.

If you dont want to do it, fine dont do it, but dont hate on people who use it to level.

an exploit is using a system it was not meant for or intended. like Aion with hatling your leveling to remain a mid level to enter the same rift to pretty much farm pvp points easily to gain pvp armor faster.

its called exploiting a system. But yes you can exploit a bug and a glitch also.

[Jibe]

it was originaly changed to be this way so people who fail can have another chance at their reward

That makes alot of sense. So possibly unintended consequence of a change made for another reason? I sure hope SE has plans in the pipeline to make this better and I sure hope someone from the SE community team will post them here.

Off topic: Kilta foglahdha, people get all fired up cause you haven't played the game. Nobody is saying your opinion doens't matter, but people don't like being preached to by someone who has less experience with something than they do.

[TheVedis]

That makes alot of sense. So possibly unintended consequence of a change made for another reason? I sure hope SE has plans in the pipeline to make this better and I sure hope someone from the SE community team will post them here.

Off topic: Kilta foglahdha, people get all fired up cause you haven't played the game. Nobody is saying your opinion doens't matter, but people don't like being preached to by someone who has less experience with something than they do.

Yes, the change wasnt intended for this specificaly, but it has been commented on by SE that its ok to do it as is because you are losing the reward in the process. Its a trade off.

So in the end, it worked out as it is going on right now.

This isnt to say things wont change in the future, but right now, it is working as intended in its own right.

[Jibe]

Yes, the change wasnt intended for this specificaly, but it has been commented on by SE that its ok to do it as is because you are losing the reward in the process. Its a trade off.

So in the end, it worked out as it is going on right now.

This isnt to say things wont change in the future, but right now, it is working as intended in its own right.

So I understand about the patch notes, but where was it commented on by SE that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process? Is that in the patch notes too?

[DeadRiser]

So I understand about the patch notes, but where was it commented on by SE that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process? Is that in the patch notes too?

I'm not trying to be rude, but I would like to see this too. I keep seeing it and I would like some kind of proof

[Chardrizard]

So I understand about the patch notes, but where was it commented on by SE that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process? Is that in the patch notes too?

SE didnt say its ok to do 'failing leves on purpose for maximize SP', but they didnt say its wrong as well because they clearly KNOWS its happening when necrologos bugs is fixed.

but, this is some facts:
1. the ability to REDO leves when u FAILED a leve is on purpose, it was designed for people that disconnected ingame.

2. you do not get FACTION POINT or ANY REWARD when you FAILED a leve, which is needed to do NM leves.

[Jibe]

SE didnt say its ok to do 'failing leves on purpose for maximize SP', but they didnt say its wrong as well because they clearly KNOWS its happening when necrologos bugs is fixed.

but, this is some facts:
1. the ability to REDO leves when u FAILED a leve is on purpose, it was designed for people that disconnected ingame.

2. you do not get FACTION POINT or ANY REWARD when you FAILED a leve, which is needed to do NM leves.

It has been stated in this thread and another more than once that SE made a comment about it saying it was ok to fail because you get no reward. I was just asking for a link to that comment cause I follow SE statements very closely and have not seen it.

Thanks for those facts btw. More pointing to an unintended consequence of a change to allow people to retry failed leves for the reward. Thanks man.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

SE didnt say its ok to do 'failing leves on purpose for maximize SP', but they didnt say its wrong as well because they clearly KNOWS its happening when necrologos bugs is fixed.

but, this is some facts:
1. the ability to REDO leves when u FAILED a leve is on purpose, it was designed for people that disconnected ingame.

2. you do not get FACTION POINT or ANY REWARD when you FAILED a leve, which is needed to do NM leves.

a better fix w/o a posible "exploit" to is would to simply let the person continue their levequest when loging back in. Once you complete it thats it. Fov pages are set up like this. the only way to get rid of the quest is switching jobs or canceling it from the book. i personaly feel that if you fail a levequest it should be removed and have ti get it again. But that is just me.

[Jibe]

Yes, the change wasnt intended for this specificaly, but it has been commented on by SE that its ok to do it as is because you are losing the reward in the process. Its a trade off.

So in the end, it worked out as it is going on right now.

This isnt to say things wont change in the future, but right now, it is working as intended in its own right.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm going to have to assume that SE never officially commented that it is ok to do it because you are losing the reward in the process. Until I can see some kind of link to that comment, I have to assume it didn't happen. I follow SE comments very closely, but I cannot remember seeing this. Hook me up with a link!