[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[solracht]

People are flaming you because you came here judging a system you haven't experienced. A system that particularly looks great on paper but plays horribly after experiencing it, especially after rank 30.

You're also advocating for a "fix" that is not really a real fix (see the first page of this thread).

[Jieddo]

Abandoning missions was also available in Phantasy Star Universe, however there was no reset in that game any you could keep doing the mission over and over as many times as you like. This is nothing new. Im sure the developers are aware of this loophole and if it was an issue they could nerf it server side without having to issue an update.

Some people are complaining about crafters not having a similar 'exploit', when in reality crafters have the advantage when it comes to gaining sp by way of crafting non leve items, they have a virtually limitless source for gaining sp by crafting items in their inventory so I dont see anything wrong with this minor exploitation to guarantee you get a leve that will give good sp.

[tou]

And I quote because you have the memory of a goldfish.

Now this, to me, seems borderline exploit. I'm not sure if this is the way the game is supposed to be played, but people failing leves on purpose because they get more sp that way seems to be against the way the game is supposed to be played.

[Jibe]

And I quote because you have the memory of a goldfish.

After having it explained to me better by much nicer people than you in this thread I changed my opinion and stated so more than once. When I made this thread I felt it was BORDERLINE explot, not 100% exploit. I no longer feel that way, but I still feel that SE should change the system to remove the need to do this. And with that, I think I'm done responding to this particular poster.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

its not an exploit because it is not providing anyone with an unfair advantage, anyone can do it and you dont have to abuse a glitch to perform it, not to mention you loose all faction points and reward and a slight amount of SP. I could go around claiming anything is an exploit until a dev states otherwise as well, or I can use common sense and figure it out myself.

an exploit is achiving anything easier. Don't need to be a glitch or anything. Like Aion. When you die you loose exp. ppl are using this to perma level or stick to the same level. There is no glitch or anything you just kill yourself repeatedly till you have an insane buyback for exp. who is this an expoit? you stick to lvl 35 which allowes you to enter a rift that leads to a zone with a level range of 35. You essially kill and earn pvp points after to twink your character who @ 35 can kill a level 50.

The leve abandoning sounds similar to that you fail a level to redo it to get the most sp from it.

[Chardrizard]

People are flaming you because you came here judging a system you haven't experienced. A system that particularly looks great on paper but plays horribly after experiencing it, especially after rank 30.

You're also advocating for a "fix" that is not really a real fix (see the first page of this thread).

exactly this, i am not really trying to be rude but your post Kilta made me facepalm so hard.
you cant just come here INSISTING its an exploit when you have not experienced it yourself..

also i have an idea for a fix, probably posted before.

DO NOT RANDOMIZE WHAT LEVES WE MIGHT GET, SO EVERYONE CAN PICK THE SAME LEVES AND GET MAX LINKS OUT OF IT, SO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PURPOSE FAILING. caps for emphasis

[tou]

After having it explained to me better by much nicer people than you in this thread I changed my opinion and stated so more than once. When I made this thread I felt it was BORDERLINE explot, not 100% exploit. I no longer feel that way, but I still feel that SE should change the system to remove the need to do this. And with that, I think I'm done responding to this particular poster.

you should probably edit your first post then mr. goldfish.

[TheVedis]

An exploit is a bug in the system, that was not meant to be there. That can be used to give players an advantage.

The ability to fail leves, and be able to do them the next reset was added in a patch

Therefore, it is not an exploit, period. Working as intended, who knows(it was originaly changed to be this way so people who fail can have another chance at their reward), but not an exploit.

If you dont want to do it, fine dont do it, but dont hate on people who use it to level.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

People are flaming you because you came here judging a system you haven't experienced. A system that particularly looks great on paper but plays horribly after experiencing it, especially after rank 30.

You're also advocating for a "fix" that is not really a real fix (see the first page of this thread).

you mean forcing ppl to complete the levequest as first intended but that i'm also for a reset removal and that I like the random leve idea that was said pre launch. Oh and that levequests are the same to fov pages. just wuth added quest info and item rewards. yet se forced us to complete those. If i am wrong prove it and i'll appologise. So far i'm getting insulted for no reason. And levequests are not a new concept. >.> mmo and rpg have similar things to them so yes I do have expience with a similar system.

[TheVedis]

you mean forcing ppl to complete the levequest as first intended but that i'm also for a reset removal and that I like the random leve idea that was said pre launch. Oh and that levequests are the same to fov pages. just wuth added quest info and item rewards. yet se forced us to complete those. If i am wrong prove it and i'll appologise. So far i'm getting insulted for no reason. And levequests are not a new concept. >.> mmo and rpg have similar things to them so yes I do have expience with a similar system.

no, forcing peopel to play the way you want them to play, thats what you are trying to do