[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[DeadRiser]

because there are not enough leves for any of them to be rare you have a handful of different ones per city state. I'm not being rude I'm just disagreeing, you are the one that wants to take away the only reasonable way to rank up, I'm trying to protect it.

Actually grinding is also a good way to rank up.. people just don't want to and want R50 to be handed to them on a silver platter. Leves are supposed to be quick and they are.. people log off after

[Krausus]

As stated before, a big part of the problem is that leves are the only meaningful content you can use to rank up.

It is nice to know that a majority of the players posting here would like to see some sort a change away from intentional fails to a better system to maximize sp gain.

of course. I mean it sucks to have to give up gil and especially precious faction points in order to rank at a decent rate, not to mention you give up on bonus reward for trading in leves.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

yeah i find it funny people bring that up alot, yet it really is in every other MMO, its not something that can be changed

its in every rpg let alone mmo. since zelda i think. or what ever the first rpg was with questing in it. I know zelda 1 had questing in a sense.

honestly of all the rpg i played one of my fav quests would be from oblivion sherogoraths shrine quest. He sent you to a khajit settlement you had to collect the smelly cheese back it in a pot and rats would invade the town. then you took the rat poisoning to kill off the sheep. Then you stood in the middle of the town and see flaming dogs rain on the town. lol. watching the npc's freak out was epic. It was their superstition kinda like the plagues of egypt.

[Krausus]

Actually grinding is also a good way to rank up.. people just don't want to and want R50 to be handed to them on a silver platter. Leves are supposed to be quick and they are.. people log off after

lawls are you serious? sure raptor parties are ok if you get the right set up but who wants to farm coblyns for hours on end for what can be done with a few leves.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I dont' think shes trying to take it away. She wants to make it better. Big difference there.

i don't want to take levequests away just the exploit. Force ppl to complate their levequests. I infact want the reset removed. Maybe have the gil/item rewards on a resest. ffxi removed the hour cool down for fov pages. I liked when those got added it made grouping and leveling more fun as it gave ppl an objective to focus on. It also made ffxi a bit more casual and it also helped in ppl finding good solo/ party locations. Since the fov pages had level range of them.

[DeadRiser]

lawls are you serious? sure raptor parties are ok if you get the right set up but who wants to farm coblyns for hours on end for what can be done with a few leves.

There are mobs outside of coblyns and raptors and at all levels too. People don't go out looking half the time. That's what I'm getting at. Nobody goes outside of camps anymore. And ranking up is supposed to be a 'grind' in later levels, not handed to you so easily but a couple of leves.

EDIT: You just proved my point that people log on, do leves, maybe do a behest, log off.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

lawls are you serious? sure raptor parties are ok if you get the right set up but who wants to farm coblyns for hours on end for what can be done with a few leves.

>.> like i said you do know they increased sp on mobs right?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

There are mobs outside of coblyns and raptors and at all levels too. People don't go out looking half the time. That's what I'm getting at. Nobody goes outside of camps anymore. And ranking up is supposed to be a 'grind' in later levels, not handed to you so easily but a couple of leves.

EDIT: You just proved my point that people log on, do leves, maybe do a behest, log off.

youtr right. ppl only do levequests/behest and log off personally if that is what you do, don't complain about the game you are obviously not playing it. sp was increased to normal mobs gpo explore with groups and kill mobs outside of levequests.

[Jericho]

Ok again, since this isnt the first time this has been brung up I will recap

1) The ability to redo failed leves was added on PURPOSE by the devs
2) the devs have specificaly stated its a reward vs type thing. We are sacrificing our reward to do it again for SP
3) the inferno "bug" where you get them to pop unlimited times is not related to this issue. What you are thinking of there is called an exploit, and it is bannable to do it on purpose.

So all in all, the fail on purpose thing is here to stay. It isnt an exploit. It is an "option" that was specificaly added back in november.

Nice. Thumbs up.

My leve bank will never be filled up with only failed leves. I want marks, too. But we do a BW run every other night, and I like to try and have D4D, ACU, and maybe a decent TTM or ATT. And it's completely allowed, not an exploit.

HOWEVER, as a large group, we usually end up with only a couple singles every night. Some full links, most 2-3 links. a couple singles. Theres only, what, 8 leves per camp? They wouldnt have to change the leves, just try and balance the SP. I am not sure why a full linked D4D will give you 800 pts per mob while a full linked, I don't know, whipping the cur, gives you around 450. I don't know if thats the case, but Im not the only one that has noticed imbalanced SP per mob on leves that are the same "level".

[Jibe]

There are mobs outside of coblyns and raptors and at all levels too. People don't go out looking half the time. That's what I'm getting at. Nobody goes outside of camps anymore. And ranking up is supposed to be a 'grind' in later levels, not handed to you so easily but a couple of leves.

EDIT: You just proved my point that people log on, do leves, maybe do a behest, log off.

Grinding is def a valid way to rank up, its just the guildleves are WAY WAY better. The SP per hour, especially if you're doing the fail thing, is incredibly higher. So that's why people choose them over grinding.