[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

didn't they up the sp on mobs though? just no one is explororng with groups. I would do levels just to have something to do i don;t care the sp i get from a mob. And if i see a rare one one cycle thats a cool suprise for me. Like I solo'ed fov pages while I waited for parties, just gave me something to do.

I'll pull a you guiys here

If i can see all possible leves at all the camps i can go to it ruins the excitment of getting a rare levequest. I find it funny that ppl complain about lack of varity but are the same ppl who fail and redo the same levequest. a decent fix is force ppl to complete the levequest. no mater if ypu dc or log you will have to kill those 2 mobs before you can get more levequests. and once completeled or abandon it is no longer in your journal. That is how fov pages are handled. Keep the randomness as it prevents rmt abusing the levequests system even with the reset.

[Krausus]

didn't they up the sp on mobs though? just no one is explororng with groups. I would do levels just to have something to do i don;t care the sp i get from a mob. And if i see a rare one one cycle thats a cool suprise for me. Like I solo'ed fov pages while I waited for parties, just gave me something to do.

I'll pull a you guiys here

If i can see all possible leves at all the camps i can go to it ruins the excitment of getting a rare levequest. I find it funny that ppl complain about lack of varity but are the same ppl who fail and redo the same levequest. a decent fix is force ppl to complete the levequest. no mater if ypu dc or log you will have to kill those 2 mobs before you can get more levequests. and once completeled or abandon it is no longer in your journal. That is how fov pages are handled. Keep the randomness as it prevents rmt abusing the levequests system even with the reset.

rare leve quests do not exist

[Kilta_Firelotus]

the sole purpose of leve quests is to give people that only have 30 minutes of play time something to do that nets a high reward. So really the sole purpose of leves is SP. And there is nothing fun about any of the leves they are all the same kill this, defend this, or collect this.

you mean like every other rpg known to man!!! heaven forbid.... I didn't do fov for the exp. I just like doing them. It gave me something to do. I didn't do any ffxi quest (minus the importent one) fior the reward i did the quest as something to do. levequests are the same thing, just something to do.
No ne to be rude in your posting btw.

[TheVedis]

you mean like every other rpg known to man!!! heaven forbid....

yeah i find it funny people bring that up alot, yet it really is in every other MMO, its not something that can be changed

[Kilta_Firelotus]

rare leve quests do not exist

and you know because???? i'm just going by what was said about them. they are random for the fact a rare one may pop up. it a gamble. You kinda being rude for no reason btw... kindle stop with your negative tude.

rare leve were suppose to randomly pop up on occasion. which is why they are random if ppl fail and redo the same 8 levequests how would you know if no rare ones exist.

[Jibe]

As stated before, a big part of the problem is that leves are the only meaningful content you can use to rank up.

It is nice to know that a majority of the players posting here would like to see some sort a change away from intentional fails to a better system to maximize sp gain.

I'm all for maximizing SP gain, but when it has to be done in such a way as its being done now, something is not right. The system is obviously not as good as it could be. I believe it is contrary to the spirit yoshi is trying to create with this game, just as he said he doesn't want people to "death warp", as it is not in the spirit of a Final Fantasy game.

Death warping is a valid use of a game mechanic, that Yoshi feels needs to changed. It's not an exploit. Just as failing guildleves is not an exploit either. It's a valid use of a game mechanic, but it is not in the spirit of a Final Fantasy game just as death warping is not. For that reason it should be changed, IMO.

Final Fantasy games are supposed to be about completing quests, completing objectives and progressing to the next goal. Not purposely failing a bunch of stuff because its more efficient. Guildleves need to be overhauled to remove the incentive to fail leves, and to create incentive to complete them. Alexia's idea rocks in this respect. All just my opinion folks, and hopefully you will see that I am not trying to say people should not be failing them or that it's an exploit. I am just stating I do not feel it is in the spirit of the game and needs to be made better. Keep on rockin in the free world (Eorzea).

[Krausus]

you mean like every other rpg known to man!!! heaven forbid.... I didn't do fov for the exp. I just like doing them. It gave me something to do. I didn't do any ffxi quest (minus the importent one) fior the reward i did the quest as something to do. levequests are the same thing, just something to do.
No ne to be rude in your posting btw.

No need to dictate how others play with your posting btw. Currently leves are the only reasonable way to rank up and a majority of them blow for that, I mean why else would leve reward balancing be an issue that devs are looking at. And you want to take the only reasonable way to rank up away from people... please enlighten us as to why? what is leave failing hurting? it has no negative effect on anyone.

[DeadRiser]

The problem is that instead of being casual leves are the most efficient way to gain SP at the moment. For the most part party grinding has died out, hardly anyone does it anymore. People hardly go out anymore and just grind on mobs. People make static groups, meet a few times a week with the group, link their leves and level together for an hour or two and get nice SP. It's just too slow to actually grind on mobs.

The whole dynamics of the game on how you are supposed to level are not really well thought out. People just found the thing that gives the most SP per hour and now do that.

I. HATE. LEVES.

Before the November patch, not everyone did leves. Everyone was like 'oh look, I have leves'... EVERYONE was in grind parties, and you felt a sense of accomplishment leveling up. I grinded two days ago, and I was having fun doing it granted there was only two of us grinding. Everyone was waiting for behest, soloing leves, or mass leve linking.

I'm one of the few people that actually preferred sp BEFORE the November patch. I miss grind parties. The randomness, yeah everyone bitched every so often, but you had parties of people exploring the world. Not just staying by the damned aetherytes

[Krausus]

and you know because???? i'm just going by what was said about them. they are random for the fact a rare one may pop up. it a gamble. You kinda being rude for no reason btw... kindle stop with your negative tude.

rare leve were suppose to randomly pop up on occasion. which is why they are random if ppl fail and redo the same 8 levequests how would you know if no rare ones exist.

because there are not enough leves for any of them to be rare you have a handful of different ones per city state. I'm not being rude I'm just disagreeing, you are the one that wants to take away the only reasonable way to rank up, I'm trying to protect it.

[Jibe]

because there are not enough leves for any of them to be rare you have a handful of different ones per city state. I'm not being rude I'm just disagreeing, you are the one that wants to take away the only reasonable way to rank up, I'm trying to protect it.

I dont' think shes trying to take it away. She wants to make it better. Big difference there.