Stop working on FFXIV.

[Paksenarrion]

Way to go. So we get a game we are able to play and provide feedback, vs. your idea of haulting development altogether and starting from scratch.

You're a freaking moron, did you know that?

I believe the OP says:
"start over with the engine you have now mobs, races everything. Fix the landscapes fix the classes fix everything, Re-release it with PS3 and Digital DL for PC and everyone who paid for XIV originally gets it free on digital download off of a SE hosted download hub."

Not halting development and starting from scratch.
Just an observation.

[chime85]

I would jump of joy if SE just commented and said: stop crying, no jump, no auction house, move on please.

I think i would die laughing at this. Tbh i agree on this point. SE need to turn around and say "look, you're not getting your damn AH, so shsuhs on that subject and move on. The sun is shining, do something for a bit while we work on something proper for the game"

like you said, the dev team are trying to keep up with impossible demands "can we have this, that, and tetra". NO, you cannot have what you had either 8 years ago on in game X. SE have stated, and have always had the goal of they want to be original and press forward

[Paksenarrion]

pak,though I agree to what you said aboyt being rude, but grimm is one of many forum trolls we got. Not the anto ffxiv kind, but the forum troll that post anything to get a rise out of players. He from the stuff I seen from them, nothing he writes is constructive, typed in a hostile tone, and just plain rude.

I'm a ps3 player in waiting, I own the pc version but due to a pc mishap i currently have to wait. The only thing that peeving me off is the players atm. They are complaining about everything. Which is slowing the content. If the battle system didn't need to get fixed, for a 3rd time mind you.... we would have content.

The way I see it, you sort of like...stalk whatever threads he starts or comments in. So far I haven't seen him being a troll. I guess my definition of a troll is just different from the rest of the community. I'm sure there are trolls in the community, but I have yet to see a single one.... Course besides BR.
The threads I have read by grimm has been valid and actual ideas. Maybe his explanations are a bit... lacking? But they are opinions nonetheless, not trolling. Not to mention, the tone of voice someone posts in is almost impossible to read over the internet.

[chime85]

The threads I have read by grimm has been valid and actual ideas. Maybe his explanations are a bit... lacking?

To me at least, that is part of the defintion of a troll. Complaining without any room for explanation. not just on the odd occasion tho, but what seems as a rule.

take this post as an example. He says "we need to work this game from ground zero". Ok, so now what. Say SE took his comment seriously, where would that leave the game? Nowhere, because he has no development in his ideas.

He considers a single suggestion and throws it out without consequence. to me, that is a troll.

[Nuru]

I believe the OP says:
"start over with the engine you have now mobs, races everything. Fix the landscapes fix the classes fix everything

How is this different from what is going on right now anyways? Also, look at the thread title...

Duh? Right?

[chime85]

How is this different from what is going on right now anyways? Also, look at the thread title...

Duh? Right?

lol you always seem to be able to shorten what i say, backing my point in the most positive way lol

[Paksenarrion]

To me at least, that is part of the defintion of a troll. Complaining without any room for explanation. not just on the odd occasion tho, but what seems as a rule.

take this post as an example. He says "we need to work this game from ground zero". Ok, so now what. Say SE took his comment seriously, where would that leave the game? Nowhere, because he has no development in his ideas.

He considers a single suggestion and throws it out without consequence. to me, that is a troll.

Defenition of troll:
"One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."

Now if the OP was "this game sucks. scrap it. i hate it. wow is better anyway. start over." that would be trolling. Like I previously mentioned, maybe the explanation is lacking but that doesn't make someone a troll. Just bad at explaining. Why not ask them to elaborate instead of throwing out the word troll? Ask instead "well what sort of ideas do you have to further the game if they halt the development of the current FFXIV?"

[Vanguard319]

I have a lighter at hand, now only if i can send it via the internet hehe

*wonders if it's possible to burn the internet*

[Nuru]

lol you always seem to be able to shorten what i say, backing my point in the most positive way lol

Haha, it's not even intentional either. >3>

Now if the OP was "this game sucks. scrap it. i hate it. wow is better anyway. start over." that would be trolling. Like I previously mentioned, maybe the explanation is lacking but that doesn't make someone a troll. Just bad at explaining. Why not ask them to elaborate instead of throwing out the word troll? Ask instead "well what sort of ideas do you have to further the game if they halt the development of the current FFXIV?"

"this game sucks. scrap it. i hate it. wow is better anyway. start over."

If you take out the "wow is better anyway" part of it, this is basically whats going on and has been going on around the forums. Yet, we all still play the game to make fun of it. No.. no way that's not trolling... (/sarcasm)

"Why not ask them to elaborate instead of throwing out the word troll? Ask instead "well what sort of ideas do you have to further the game if they halt the development of the current FFXIV?""

When you make a suggestion on an official forum for an MMORPG, you'd think it would be important to elaborate in the OP anyways..

Yes maybe he didn't mean to troll but when you leave people with what he left us, that can be taken the wrong way. Its not our responsibility if people don't like his posts.

[Paksenarrion]

Haha, it's not even intentional either. >3>



"this game sucks. scrap it. i hate it. wow is better anyway. start over."

If you take out the "wow is better anyway" part of it, this is basically whats going on and has been going on around the forums. Yet, we all still play the game to make fun of it. No.. no way that's not trolling... (/sarcasm)

"Why not ask them to elaborate instead of throwing out the word troll? Ask instead "well what sort of ideas do you have to further the game if they halt the development of the current FFXIV?""

When you make a suggestion on an official forum for an MMORPG, you'd think it would be important to elaborate in the OP anyways..

Yes maybe he didn't mean to troll but when you leave people with what he left us, that can be taken the wrong way. Its not our responsibility if people don't like his posts.

But wouldn't it be better then to ask for clarification rather than jumping to conclusions? So what if they didn't elaborate properly in the OP? Is that any reason to label them a troll? Rather than telling them the OP should have more elaboration and explanation? No...every one just jumps to the troll card instead.
If you took out the wow is better anyway part, what you'd have left would be someone that is bad at explaining. The fact is they didn't just put "this game sucks. scrap it. i hate it. start over". They tried to explain, just happened to fail at doing so and didn't do it to a far enough extent.

edit: and it's no ones responsibility if people don't like his post, but no one has to be immature and rude about it. It is all of our responsibility as members of the forum to be respectful and perhaps even ask for clarification rather than calling people names.