Stop working on FFXIV.

[Paksenarrion]

Darn, you saw through my web of plans lol



to me, this is a troll, someone who flys off negativity without any effort to expand.



That Is asking him to elaborate. He stated, "star ffxiv from scratch". I have (and others have to) asked him to elebaorate. to input what HIS changes would be. He has given nothing.

From this, time and time again, many (inc myself) have come to the conclusion he is trolling. He is willing to display his disatisfation (which is fine, I am not desputing that at all), but not giving anything to grow on that. He has yet to display any vision or advancement on his demands. Simple, he demands "this be done, that isnt right". He refuses to listen to different standpoints on his own topics (even those that support him, tell me, how many times has he shown you favor in you defending him) He knows that what he says will create discomfort, but he says it regardless.



Tbh, I personaly like you. throughout your threads you have given a cohearent and understandanding argument. This is something which is very needed on these threads. Thankyou for giving honest feedback . However, you are in the minority (i am saddened to say). You say Grimm has difficulty expressing himself, why is that so? My personal opinions on this, is that he gets a bug in his bonnet, shouts, then has no idea what to do next. From this, he continues his rants, refusing to back down from his original point (which was lielkly made from a slight upset ingame)

Wishing you well Paksenarrion ,

Kimiko x

Lol. Thanks. That's really nice of you to say.
I'm basing how I know he has difficulty explaining on the fact that I know him in real life. Lol. (Real well in fact, fiance). So I know for a fact he's not trolling and is usually very open to discussing. Just has difficulty explaining himself. Although I try to be unbiased here while posting and have told him to apologize for his OP that lacked explanation. But he's just as stubborn as he is lacking at explaining things.

On a side note, the forum has become this...mass fight. Where everyone name calls each other rather than try and discuss and debate. Sadly, I don't think any forum exists anymore that doesn't have name calling. It's the ugly side to forums. Although sometimes, rarely, (and it becomes like a jewel you just want to hold onto) amazing threads happen where people discuss productively. So I really appreciate your replies to what I've said without resorting to calling me names. The fact that you calmly give your opinion and why you think that way just shows that you're one of the few people here that belong to the minority group as well.

Wishing you well too Kimiko.

[chime85]

I did not mean stop FFXIV completely I meant stop FFXIV that the players are trying to make with small details that should be added way later.

you said just that

Stop working on FFXIV.

Just stop. start over with the engine you have now mobs, races everything. Fix the landscapes fix the classes fix everything, Re-release it with PS3 and Digital DL for PC and everyone who paid for XIV originally gets it free on digital download off of a SE hosted download hub

but moving on, my point earlier was your lack of input. I cannot comment on this alone when you give input. I'm sure we can meet in the middle

Right now SE's biggest problem is the player base.

I agree, altho it is a two sided coin. SE listen too much to players demands, players demand FAR too much. Tbh, i wouldnt care if tetra was in ffxiv, I wouldnt care if red mage was not implemented. However, I imagine a number readers would disagree. My point is, with such a pool of views, it is implossible for SE to cater for everyone.

This being said, I think they should at least shoot for "the feel of the room" so to speak. Deplomacy is, at the end of the day, the popular vote.

f they shut the servers down for a bit

I know you have further points from this (all those who did not read above, please do). The one thing I cannot stress enough is that when SE closed servers due to the earthquake, there was an uproar. Now both you and I can agree, an earthquake is a VERY legitimate reason to close down servers. To impliment that "due ot reworking" would kill the game out right. I think even the most hardest of FF fans would struggle to remain loyal at this.

not to mention the stress from players wanting the smallest dumbest things won't be there allowing them to work at a faster pace with a clear head.

I cannot agree more with this. I find it disrespectful that people are asking, as you say "we want jump", or "why can i not do XYZ, this should SOOOO be in the next patch or im leaving for something else". I personally think the game needs to get the basics to the ground before they can expand on the more trivial aspects of the game. In the future, amybe these points would be more valid. Right now, SE have a game to revise.

allowing original owners to download a digital VER would be a nice bonus as well because it shows they thought of the founders of the game. Meaning if we move we can download it anytime with no trouble with out needing to sit through the older updates first.

This coulld lead to some very negative things. 1) pirate copies (i dont know how SE confirm real copies but then im no programmer either).
2) Elitisism. I cannot stress this enough, SE have made great leaps in crossing out this. The designs of the game have always given room for player preference. Although this is simply a way to allow ppl who have got the game to download it again, I also imagine it could be a way of increasing ppls e-peen. I can see it in a years time "look, I downloaded this after i got the disc X months before ps3 release, look at my pics and codes"

On a finish, i dont think a complete restart would be a good idea. I think that would kill the game, and se completely. Imagine if they said "ok, closing game, give about 5-6 years. If you want, ffxi is there if you fancy the retro look". In my opinion, worst business move ever lol

Kimiko x

[Grimm]

Pirated copies are no biggie for MMO's you still need to have a CODE to copy to your account so even if you download it off of a pirating site you still need that code you can only get from buying the game. I understand having servers closed would have a bad backlash. I just feel if they keep them open for too much longer with mini updates that do nothing the player base will get worse than if the server's close. A lot of us were spoiled with the FFXI NA\EU release. I'm just in short hoping SE is focused on the thing's we NEED now. not the things we WANT now.

[chime85]

On a side note, the forum has become this...mass fight. Where everyone name calls each other rather than try and discuss and debate. Sadly, I don't think any forum exists anymore that doesn't have name calling

I am sad to say that i cannot agree with you more on this point. you are right, even the most best interests online lead to trolling.

So I really appreciate your replies to what I've said without resorting to calling me names.

Everyone can be reasonable to a point (ok, some less so lol) but you have feeling, i have feelings. why hurt them in a rash, derogitory way. I am glad we both see eye ot eye on this

The fact that you calmly give your opinion and why you think that way just shows that you're one of the few people here that belong to the minority group as well.

Thankyou, and I can say the same about you Paksenarrion. You have your point of view, and you are willing to share it in a calm, peacefull manner. To me at least, that is worth much more respect that a view i agree on, but is offensive

Kimiko

[Paksenarrion]

I am sad to say that i cannot agree with you more on this point. you are right, even the most best interests online lead to trolling.

So true. =(

Everyone can be reasonable to a point (ok, some less so lol) but you have feeling, i have feelings. why hurt them in a rash, derogitory way. I am glad we both see eye ot eye on this

Lol. Seems like majority of people have a low level for being reasonable. I am glad we see eye to eye as well. =) It's nice to find someone in the forum that you can discuss with, regardless if they have an opposite opinion to your own or not.

Thankyou, and I can say the same about you Paksenarrion. You have your point of view, and you are willing to share it in a calm, peacefull manner. To me at least, that is worth much more respect that a view i agree on, but is offensive

Kimiko

Couldn't agree more! I'd much rather have someone have an opposite opinion to mine, but discuss it calmly and without resorting to names, than someone with the exact same opinion that just can't be respectful.

[Lamhirh]

GRimm undersstand one thing. THer ei n no one dev team that can work on single aim. There are alot of teams, each have a goal set, and they work on it. WHile one works on reworking combat, other works on events, other ones work on story and quests and so. not everyone there is [rogramer. they have storywriters, graphics, and such. After base of engine is ready, you actually need more of those 'other' people than actual coders and programmers. So all the shouts "stop working on this and that and fix this and something other" does not have any sense. IF they all work on single thing they would actually get in each other way, crreating bad and buggy code. Let them work, and wait. Writing a program is not like digging hole. more people not alway make for faster effect. In this case more people means they might work on more objectives.

[Grimm]

GRimm undersstand one thing. THer ei n no one dev team that can work on single aim. There are alot of teams, each have a goal set, and they work on it. WHile one works on reworking combat, other works on events, other ones work on story and quests and so. not everyone there is [rogramer. they have storywriters, graphics, and such. After base of engine is ready, you actually need more of those 'other' people than actual coders and programmers. So all the shouts "stop working on this and that and fix this and something other" does not have any sense. IF they all work on single thing they would actually get in each other way, crreating bad and buggy code. Let them work, and wait. Writing a program is not like digging hole. more people not alway make for faster effect. In this case more people means they might work on more objectives.

I understand that there is more than one team. The player Base is on edge and it's makes it worse because the dev's aren't being as open as it seems. I wish they would post about what % they are at on some things so people would calm down and be like ''okay cool it should be coming our way soon'' and talk about how happy and excited they are rather than ''THIS NEED THIS!''

[chime85]

Couldn't agree more! I'd much rather have someone have an opposite opinion to mine, but discuss it calmly and without resorting to names, than someone with the exact same opinion that just can't be respectful.

Well Paksenarrion, im glad we have somthing in common on this. I only hope we keep on disagreeing, or we may fall into the trap we both mentioned about ppl who agree but are disliked hehe

[chime85]

Pirated copies are no biggie for MMO's you still need to have a CODE to copy to your account so even if you download it off of a pirating site you still need that code you can only get from buying the game. I understand having servers closed would have a bad backlash. I just feel if they keep them open for too much longer with mini updates that do nothing the player base will get worse than if the server's close. A lot of us were spoiled with the FFXI NA\EU release. I'm just in short hoping SE is focused on the thing's we NEED now. not the things we WANT now.

IDK, personally "mini updates" shows a steady progression. I allows players to get used to things on a step by step level. If it was all done in one go (with or without shut downs) it would likley lead to mass confusion and of cours,e frustration on the player base.

Unfortunately MMO's survive on constant veriables. (i personally prefer a bit of randomness. oh and dont say rift, in 3-4 map looks, you will see it is not random, just pre-set chaos).

By completely overthrowing the entire game, mechanics, look, development and all, the company would loose player base on both 1) i hate these changes im off (which i agree, will happen regardless) and 2) well i am finding it difficult to find my feet in this game, it changes more times than i an log on, im playing something else.

With a gradual change it gives players an oportunity to not on discuss these changes on a section by section basis, but also allows them time to adjust to the changes given. On the whole, the same goal is reached, but with less impact.

[Grimm]

IDK, personally "mini updates" shows a steady progression. I allows players to get used to things on a step by step level. If it was all done in one go (with or without shut downs) it would likley lead to mass confusion and of cours,e frustration on the player base.

Unfortunately MMO's survive on constant veriables. (i personally prefer a bit of randomness. oh and dont say rift, in 3-4 map looks, you will see it is not random, just pre-set chaos).

By completely overthrowing the entire game, mechanics, look, development and all, the company would loose player base on both 1) i hate these changes im off (which i agree, will happen regardless) and 2) well i am finding it difficult to find my feet in this game, it changes more times than i an log on, im playing something else.

With a gradual change it gives players an oportunity to not on discuss these changes on a section by section basis, but also allows them time to adjust to the changes given. On the whole, the same goal is reached, but with less impact.

Your right I just wish the community was a bit less childish when it comes to the waiting game myself included. I just want the game fixed now or at lest an idea of how far along it will be. Waiting for all these changes has me feeling like I did when it was showed at E3 back in 09.