You know what Final Fantasy XIV desperately needs?

[Rannie]

when i was able too all i wore was my af sorry I loved my rdm outfit in 11 and the hat the only time i would change was weapons occassionally like to the apollo staff to heal and that's it mainly i kept my sword on me sometimes a club since they didn't like me playing stab at the mob unless there was a pl involved..... and the pluto's staff when resting that's when i would put on vermy cloak to and use a ginger cookie when needed that is

[TaalAzura]

elemental staves my friend, gotta get those debuffs in.

[Rannie]

i had what i could afford the apollo the pluto and when i tried to fight maat as rdm auster that's really all that a rdm needed for elemental staves. I had a jupter staff never used it sold it. to help me get the vermilion cloak

[Dargoth_Draconia]

AKA "instead of fixing the problems with RDM, we'll introduce this job with the hopes that the melee camp will shut up and relocate", Part II.

A little late to try and change RDM from the role it took on years ago. Better to leave it what it is and come out with something new and better. Would be like trying to change Ninja from being a tank class out of the blue because it was never intentionally meant to be a tank class, it was supposed to be a support/DD. Instead the players made it a tank utilizing utsusumei

[Duelle]

Reading from your sig, Duelle You know that's one thing I never understood in 11 as a RDM. If I even asked if I could run up and auto attack with my sword it was automatic taboo like how dare you even think about using a sword which was a weapon you got even with af gear. they were always like you can just stand back and do all that stuff. My thoughts were, wouldn't it show i was more proficient if i could do fight as well as keep everyone refreshed and the mob debuffed all at the same time. multitasking is fun ya know.

The reason I always point the finger to design was because the magic and melee sides of RDM never complimented each other mechanics wise. They were two separate planets, instead. The way gear and stat scaling worked in XI did nothing to help.

On a personal note, I found the whole refresh thing demeaning. For one because a guy with sword and magic shouldn't be playing support bot (by the way, having buffs that happen to benefit the party is VERY different from being invited solely to buff people). For two because it belittled the versatility of the job for the sake of giving it a niche. For three because it tried to sweep the job's issues under the rug due to inflated value thanks to refresh (trust me, if Dark Knights had been given Refresh instead of RDM, they would have become the "gravy train to level cap" job instead).

[Rannie]

Yeah but even with the refresh spell if people weren't asinine about rdm's being support roles only then we would have been able to play how we wanted to which was whack a mob with a sword and cast magic at the same time. I didn't mind having refresh and I could have used it on the people who needed it WHILE i was auto attacking. It wouldn't really have been that hard to do as well as throw out an extra cure here and there when needed. You're also forgetting they demeaned us even more by saying hey since you have refresh and convert you get to be white mages after a certain level. you can't nuke anymore you can't debuff just keep the party healed. >.<

[Alerith]

Because having any melee gear would mean a spot that mage gear couldn't go, thus gimping yourself; that game was all about gearchecks.

And yet PLDs could use AFv1 for 15-20 levels....


Except the leggings. You always wear the leggings. 75 til you had Empyrean.

[Churchill]

A PLD wearing AF1 was a bad PLD

[stanleyyoung]

the problem with rdm was that it was too broad it could buff,debuff,heal,nuke, dd a lil. once ppl found if was good at doing one or two things they reduced its role to healing, buffing etc for thier convience and what they saw fit. in thoery and in fantasy rdm is a cool/good idea but in reality is doesn't work out like intented exaclty what happened in xi will happen in xiv if is given them same broad set of skills and roles, ppl will find out what works best and then force rdm to play one maybe two set ways. even if SE cloned rdm from xi and put it in xiv but without refresh or convert ppl will find a role for it and force ppl to play that way, say for example it had very good debuff actions ppl would turn it basically into a green mage.

[SwordCoheir]

the problem with rdm was that it was too broad it could buff,debuff,heal,nuke, dd a lil. once ppl found if was good at doing one or two things they reduced its role to healing, buffing etc for thier convience and what they saw fit. in thoery and in fantasy rdm is a cool/good idea but in reality is doesn't work out like intented exaclty what happened in xi will happen in xiv if is given them same broad set of skills and roles, ppl will find out what works best and then force rdm to play one maybe two set ways. even if SE cloned rdm from xi and put it in xiv but without refresh or convert ppl will find a role for it and force ppl to play that way, say for example it had very good debuff actions ppl would turn it basically into a green mage.

Aye that was a big issue in FFXI, best thing for them to do in implementing RDM is to focus/combine their roles in a manner that complement's each other similar to what me and a few others have already done in this thread I started some time ago.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...gn-Red-Mage%21