Reintroduce Maat in 2.0

[Alhanelem]

The second we learn he mastered every job in Eorzea is the second we know the truth.



An NPC involved in breaking level caps by giving you a fetch quest (50), fetch quest with NM fights (55), forcing lazy people to explore dangerous locations to show them what a real adventure is (60), to show people that adventuring (playing MMORPGs) isn't purely about battles and loot and forced you to seek out certain NPCs (65), then someone who mastered all jobs but Aht Urhgan and Wing of the Goddess jobs and you had to fight him one on on as your job and beat him before he mauls you...basically a test of skill as your class with support abilities locked off and only medicines and a prayer to support you.

Actually, it was just a bunch of annoying speed bumps. designed to delay the initial rush of reaching the new level cap. Don't sugar coat it to be anything more than it really was.

Beating maat isn't a sign of skill with your jobs, everybody has to do it and everybody does eventually do it. You can't tell if someone is any good or not just because they did a quest to reach the max level.

[Elexia]

Don't sugar coat it to be anything more than it really was.

Subjective. Read the dialogs sometimes. To people like you:

it was just a bunch of annoying speed bumps.

I bet you also spammed through dialogs and cutscenes in both XI and XIV.

Beating maat isn't a sign of skill with your jobs, everybody has to do it and everybody does eventually do it

It was a sign of skill. If you sucked at your job you will not beat Maat. The only exceptions would be THF which is purely luck based and WHM due to SE forgetting about Repose being low level rather than high.

[Alhanelem]

Subjective. Read the dialogs sometimes. To people like you:



I bet you also spammed through dialogs and cutscenes in both XI and XIV.

Speed bumps are still speed bumps, even if the dialog is interesting (and yes, I read every word)

I bet you also jumped to a lot of false conclusions about everyone you met in both XI and XIV. In fact I watch every cutscene and read every dialog, much to the dismay of the people in my party who dont give a rats behind about the story that makes the games unique.

[Elexia]

I bet you also jumped to a lot of false conclusions

Learned it from you on the XI boards.

[Alhanelem]

Learned it from you on the XI boards.

I don't know you, but I imagine if I did, I'd have learned what a troll you were in advance and not posted.


.... It in fact pisses me off that you can't watch the CS in this game when they happen (nobody lets you), and in one case, doing so can even get you killed (Moogle fight).

Take your sig's advice. You can't just make up shit about people, plug your ears, and pretend it's the truth.

Also, you can suck at any job and beat maat. It doesn't test you, and if you're really having a hard time you can just read a guide and beat it. Learning to win one fight is not learning your job.

[Eekiki]

It in fact pisses me off that you can't watch the CS in this game when they happen (nobody lets you), and in one case, doing so can even get you killed (Moogle fight).

Me too, and they say "Oh just watch it in your inn room later!" I don't WANT to watch it later. I want to watch it in context with the fight I'm about to enter!

I wish SE made all cutscenes non-skippable.

[Alhanelem]

Me too, and they say "Oh just watch it in your inn room later!" I don't WANT to watch it later. I want to watch it in context with the fight I'm about to enter!

I wish SE made all cutscenes non-skippable.

no, I just wish everyone had to skip it for it to actually skip (e.g., people dont get put into the battle until everyone is done watching or have pushed the skip button)

You sure do deny exactly what I stated, which is exactly what Maat states in-game, not me "sugar coating it".

I do not in any way whatsoever deny what you said. I can read and enjoy the dialog and cutscenes, without pretending to myself that the gameplay purpose of the quest is nothing other than to slow you down from reaching the level cap. That's what ti does, that's what it's function is from a gameplay context. The dialog and cutscenes mask this very well of course. But I'm smart enough to know what lies underneath (but enjoy it all the same).

I do read every dialog and watch every cutscene. Maat quests are still speed bumps. That's their DESIGNED INTENDED FUNCTION. They're very fun and enjoyable speed bumps.

Any quest that is absolutely necessary for progression is technically a speed bump. This isn't -always- a bad thing, sometimes it can be an effective device. But I would rather maat keep dancing in front of the mansion in ru'lude and let FFXIV do it's own thing.

[Req]

Me too, and they say "Oh just watch it in your inn room later!" I don't WANT to watch it later. I want to watch it in context with the fight I'm about to enter!

I wish SE made all cutscenes non-skippable.

Sorry but I don't want to watch the same minute long cutscene a billion times. They are cool the first time, after that they are just annoying as hell. If anything they should have done the opposite and allowed you to disable all cut scenes considering they have time based requirements for dungeons, and each dungeon run you do you are losing atleast a minute when you add up all the cut scenes you are trying to hastily skip through.

[Yucie]

It was a sign of skill. If you sucked at your job you will not beat Maat. The only exceptions would be THF which is purely luck based and WHM due to SE forgetting about Repose being low level rather than high.

Let's get this straight; Al is right. Beating Maat isn't a sign of skill. Beating Maat means you got over the speedbump in order to progress to level cap. And as far as I know, the only jobs that need 'skill' to beat Maat might be WHM, BLM, and RDM.
Maat was nothing more than an obstacle in your way towards grinding to cap and it meant going out of your way to farm a testimony for days, THEN probably borrowing millions of gil to buy pots, scrolls, and anything else that might help you beat him. And easily enough, it was a simple task for anyone with a decently-geared DD job to run him the hell over.

I beat Maat on my SAM, as SAM was my first 75 job. What happened?
Meditate to full. Eat a mithkabob. Enter.
Hit Meikyo Shisui, and kill him with WS before even completing a skillchain.
Is that a test of skill? No, it was a waste of several days of farming and preparation, and a waste of gil.

Just because FFXIV is going to pull from other FF titles as inspiration doesn't mean that people will be able to suggest ANYTHING be put into it from any other title. We should be pulling the best aspects of FFXI, if any at all - especially in terms of actual content, and things like armor or weapon upgrades. Maat doesn't count.

You can sugarcoat it all you like, Elexia, but you're probably the only one willing to say Maat was 'fun.'
He was nothing more than a timesink, and a gilsink. Oh, you didn't beat Maat? Time to recruit your level 75 friends to go farm more items and a testimony for 3 more days! /cheer

Don't get me wrong; I'm not against level cap quests entirely. But it should be fun things, like going to kill an NM or do a small quest that actually matters. Maat doesn't count.

tl;dr Maat was stupid, and OP's reasoning is laughable

[Payadopa]

Let's get this straight; Al is right. Beating Maat isn't a sign of skill.

That's subjective. For me (BLM) it was.