Final Fantasy XIV, Amazing Project, Again!!

[Evenstar]

Nothing to do with rude .... I actually agree with Dubont. You have people here that hardly play(ed) and act like they finished the game. People whine about content, but didn't even do anything with the current content.

No MMORPG has lots of content at release and no MMORPG has lots of content for a level 20 ... like you can do so much in WoW at low levels ... or FFXI ... or EQ2 ... or any MMORPG. Seriously.

[derekx]

Nothing to do with rude .... I actually agree with Dubont. You have people here that hardly play(ed) and act like they finished the game. People whine about content, but didn't even do anything with the current content.

No MMORPG has lots of content at release and no MMORPG has lots of content for a level 20 ... like you can do so much in WoW at low levels ... or FFXI ... or EQ2 ... or any MMORPG. Seriously.

I think your point is mostly valid, but I don't think implying that everyone should level every job to the level cap before they could complain about content (that they like or enjoy) was appropriate for many reasons I think are apparent. There was a fair bit (maybe not a ton) of content in lower level ranges of those MMO's you listed, certainly more that FFXIV at the moment.

[Evenstar]

I think your point is mostly valid, but I don't think implying that everyone should level every job to the level cap before they could complain about content (that they like or enjoy) was appropriate for many reasons I think are apparent. There was a fair bit (maybe not a ton) of content in lower level ranges of those MMO's you listed, certainly more that FFXIV at the moment.

Nah, personally I don't agree with "level everything to 50 first" approach, but you could at least level one class to 50 before you start talking about lack of content.

I am in no way defending the lack of content and I actually agree there is a lack of content. I also know that they are working on it, since I read the developer posts and the other updates we get, which some of you clearly choose to ignore (not you, just talking in general here). Us crying here like little children that just dropped their candy is not going to help us getting content quicker and is also not helping the community in any way.

There is a huge difference between:

1) There is a lack of content. I hope SE is working on this. Hope they can give us more information soon, since I am already level 50 and I am bored.

or

2) SE sucks. The developers are probably sitting on their hands, drinking coffee with a straw, since well they are sitting on their hands. This game sucks, worst game ever. Tomorrow Pacman 4D will launch and all the players will leave this game for that game. I am already level two and a half and I don't even have a chocobo. Square Enix should give it up already, because I say so while drinking a nice brandy and smoking a big Cuban sigar.

[derekx]

Nah, personally I don't agree with "level everything to 50 first" approach, but you could at least level one class to 50 before you start talking about lack of content.

I am in no way defending the lack of content and I actually agree there is a lack of content. I also know that they are working on it, since I read the developer posts and the other updates we get, which some of you clearly choose to ignore (not you, just talking in general here). Us crying here like little children that just dropped their candy is not going to help us getting content quicker and is also not helping the community in any way.

There is a huge difference between:

1) There is a lack of content. I hope SE is working on this. Hope they can give us more information soon, since I am already level 50 and I am bored.

or

2) SE sucks. The developers are probably sitting on their hands, drinking coffee with a straw, since well they are sitting on their hands. This game sucks, worst game ever. Tomorrow Pacman 4D will launch and all the players will leave this game for that game. I am already level two and a half and I don't even have a chocobo. Square Enix should give it up already, because I say so while drinking a nice brandy and smoking a big Cuban sigar.

I see what you're saying and I agree with your distinction. Mostly, I just wanted to curb what seemed as an overly harsh sentiment in the discourse and one sided arguments on both accounts. It's just getting tiring to read these overly polarized posts where no mutual understanding can get reached. Feel like I'm rambling now, but yeah.

[Evenstar]

I see what you're saying and I agree with your distinction. Mostly, I just wanted to curb what seemed as an overly harsh sentiment in the discourse and one sided arguments on both accounts. It's just getting tiring to read these overly polarized posts where no mutual understanding can get reached. Feel like I'm rambling now, but yeah.

Agree. It is the way the internet works. People sitting behind there computers and playing "internet rambo". Mutual understanding is too much to ask in such cases. At the end we all want the same thing .... We want FFXIV to be a great game that goes on for years with a huge community. We just trying to reach it in different ways and I strongly believe the way some of the people here choose is wrong and not constructive in any way.

[Skeeter]

They need to get the combat revamp and other system overhauls complete before they start adding content imo. How can you develop content when the systems in place are going to undergo major changes. The players at the high end are probably going to get bored and might leave but honestly it doesn't matter. They aren't paying a sub fee and the game doesn't have enough of a player base to keep it afloat even if it did. You shelled money for beta access at this point. Right now they should be focusing on getting the systems in place and fixed, then adding content for a Ps3 launch.

[Radaghast]

Are you seriously trying to defend the game like it has content? Side quests? They take a day or two at most. 20, 30, 36 class quests? Run around back and forth from point A to point B. Main storyline? Might as well just click on a movie clip because that's about as much interaction you really have with it. NM's? Five NM's with loot only half the classes can use.

EQ2 had multiple dungeons, a main storyline raid dungeon arc. Rifts has multiple dungeons, raid zones. Even games like AoC and Warhammer had more content. This game came out as a bare bones template, to say anything otherwise is just putting the blinders on.

[Dubont]

Are you seriously trying to defend the game like it has content? Side quests? They take a day or two at most. 20, 30, 36 class quests? Run around back and forth from point A to point B. Main storyline? Might as well just click on a movie clip because that's about as much interaction you really have with it. NM's? Five NM's with loot only half the classes can use.

EQ2 had multiple dungeons, a main storyline raid dungeon arc. Rifts has multiple dungeons, raid zones. Even games like AoC and Warhammer had more content. This game came out as a bare bones template, to say anything otherwise is just putting the blinders on.

No, I'm not trying to defend the game. What I'm saying is that 90% of the people who complain about the things in this game don't even play the game or haven't leveled to an appropriate level to actually access the things that they complain about.