How is this NOT harrasment/griefing?

[TheVedis]

So he killing all the mobs. But the boss mobs and just sitting around waiting for us to kill them ruining 3 people's experience and fun to get himself an achievement is all ok? Are you even listening to yourselves?

And move camp? So we're supposed to run all over the world and hope the theres not a 50 there ruining the event?

i think you need to understand what the words harrassment and griefing are

Basicaly, if he is doing it only to spite other players, and to mess with them, and take away from their experienbce, then yeah, hes griefing and something should be done

BUT, if hes doing it because its an achievemnt, if hes getting something out of it, or for any reason other then to purely mess with you, then no, hes not greiding you hes playing the game like anyone else

if your not willing to make concessions for him, he shouldnt have to make them for you either, you both have the right to be there

[darkstarpoet1]

I'll just counter that with the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Thanks for playing though.

i'll counter with the rules are set and there are no rules being broken.

[Yves]

I'll just counter that with the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Thanks for playing though.

You are talking about utilitarianism. According to Bentham, "what ought be done is whatever maximizes overall utility." This is to conduct, in his words, "hedonistic calculus."

This is not an acceptable argument on the basis that the Tuskagee experiment meets your maxim. By this methodology you shouldn't even be playing this game since the needs of the many, on global scale, outweigh your need for the pleasure derived from a videogame. Instead you should trying to figure out to break the Monsanto formula.

If you are going to try to argue intellectually try using something a little less elementary than Bentham.

[rina_inverse]

Someday you will be doing the same thing
What will you do then

[Kensaki]

Why would I ever want to ruin other people's experience Rina_inverse? Sorry that's not how I do things. But yeah I see this is going nowhere so I'll just stop. Bye people.

[Yves]

Why would I ever want to ruin other people's experience Rina_inverse? Sorry that's not how I do things. But yeah I see this is going nowhere so I'll just stop. Bye people.

It was going nowhere when you presented an illogical thought process as your defense. To add to this you accused those who disagree with you as being irrational and then further tried to counter your point with more irrational justification. In reality, based on what I can see, it was going nowhere the second it entered your head.

[Forerunner]

Raistlin, Send me a tell next time you are in game.

[Cynthis]

Someday you will be doing the same thing
What will you do then

What most of us are doing, let those that can get XP claim and then kill for them. They get XP, I get achievement. Win/win. I may cost me 30 seconds but that's a small price to pay.

[Alhanelem]

I was joining Drybone Behest where I joined a party forming I saw a player on his 50 BLM that wasn't joining the party. When the behest started he mounted up proceeded to kill all the mobs except boss mobs that where level 24 since he was in the behest and thus was unkillable on classes we where trying to level, So I sent a GM ticket about griefing and soon got the reply that this wasn't something the GM's could do anything about.

So is it true can you just waltz around ruining people's event and such and GM's will not do anything about it?

you cannot claim ownership over a behest, it's not "your" event, it's everyone's event

[AlexNiculaie]

You ignorant fool!
Someday you will doing the behest achievement!
What will you do, then?!?!?

Oh, I don't know, actually work to help the other people, earning my achievement at the same time. Mind blowing, I'm sure.