DPS Rank

[SwordCoheir]

It's about 30% less damage than it was before the hotfix. thats very noticable.

You should be able to compensate most of the time by chasing your WS's with JA, spells, or whatever in those instances Light Shot is down to minimize the impact of the hotfix by a much greater margin.

Might work....

Forget about what Mosshorn does

Mosshorn is a combination of adds and frontal knockbacks.


In general though I don't think there's any one particular fight that doesn't benefit one particular job over another to really get an accurate measurement between the jobs.

[Nero]

Probably bc u told the WAR to tank. Try to make them solely DPS on misser.

1. ^ This
2. DPS'ing in full AF ? <_<

[charlemagne]

1. Monk
7. The lesser jobs.

[AmyNeudaiz]

whether or not his list is accurate, your logic for why is bad.

Pld with enmity gear. Whm with -enmity gear. If Whm holds hate it's going to be doing more damage. Same with Brd/War. It makes sense.
Oh, wait you have BG in your sig, that makes everyone else wrong and you right. Sorry, forgot about that.

Holding hate isn't the question, during Moogle hate pops between the BRD's/WHM's during 1st phase rather then the tank when everyone is in DPS mode, heck I hold hate as WHM on the GLD moogle most of the time in the 1st phase.
It might be possible for a WAR to out DPS a BRD, just in my experience in DPS gear on WAR I'm lucky to break 70 and most of my BRD friends break 80 on a regular basis.

Moogle is a bad fight for Melee. That example isn't applicable here.
But it is very possible to out dps Brd using War. Maybe not on Moogle, but it's possible ever since the light shot nerf. If we were talking before that patch, then I'd probably laugh at anyone saying War > Brd.

[Otaku]

Show me a parse of a fight where a WAR is doing 80+dps and I will admit WAR is on par with BRD
Until then it's clear that WAR is under BRD for dps
(also don't forget WAR got nerfed same patch as BRD)

[Zdenka]

Show me a parse of a fight where a WAR is doing 80+dps and I will admit WAR is on par with BRD
Until then it's clear that WAR is under BRD for dps
(also don't forget WAR got nerfed same patch as BRD)

WAR beats BRD on Chimera but both are so bad its lolfest.

There's several factors to take into consideration when determining your list.

1. Will MNK go OOM (and will BLM go OOM)
2. Does it have Elemental Weakness MNK can exploit
3. Does it have high evasion / Magic evasion (Princess, Garuda to some extent)
4. Is movement required, and how much.
5. Do you have "special jobs" that distract you from DPSing the Boss (Chimera; Princess; Garuda to some extent)

There's too many factors to have a clear cut list; its almost easier to just do each boss individually.


For example:

I've done close to 130-150 DPS as DRG on Princess post patch where most of our WAR's sit closer to 65-75 DPS. Princess has higher evasion than say, Miser's Mistress, so you can abuse that with free WS's on DRG to compact its rotation really tight if you catch them in the right spots. This also causes problems for BLM's trying to straight DPS that fight because they get resisted a lot and aren't geared for the additional Magic Evasion. Most MNK are not geared for the accuracy required for princess either and lose a large chunk of DPS due to either Acc, or loss of stats equipping more Acc.

I didn't save the parse from that attempt but our kills are always right around the 2 minute mark with my DRG dealing 15700 damage, and the #2 DPS (WAR) dealing 7700. During this kill the 2nd Guard which usually indicates the fight is somewhere around 1.5-2m popped when the Marshal had 10% HP remaining; so it was a very fast kill. It was post-patch when I was messing around with gear combinations to find the correct amount of accuracy and STR/PIE and surprised myself with the results of that one.

So for Princess if I assume everyone playing their class flawlessly I would rank the classes DRG-MNK=BLM-BRD=WAR-WHM-PLD

Its just an example that theres no clear cut list but I'd tend to agree MNK, BLM, and DRG will all hover the top 3 spots with BRD and WAR about the same in the 4th and 5th spots. Oh besides for Chimera, WHM can out dps both BRD and WAR on that fight <.>;;

Think of it this way, if there was 1 "end all" DPS it would be the only class I'd play probably, yet I play MNK, BLM, DRG, BRD, and occasionally WAR as they are all better in their own fights. I think its "decently" balanced right now.

Also Front Line Archer melts DRG/BLM/MNK in all Hamlets... so pro.

[Tonkra]

A friend and I were having a discussion yesterday about where each job would rank in a DPS list, while we agreed on MNK/BLM topping the list with DRG quickly catching up it was the other 4 jobs we had a harder time placing.
So here's the idea, post your list with a little reasoning behind why each job is where.
For the sake of the list each job would be in full DPS gear and be stated for DPS.
This is for single target DPS so AOE isn't gonna matter.

1. BLM- the "Glass Canon", no combo position restrictions, only has to deal with MP and not that big of a deal
2. MNK- could beat BLM depending on the situation, MNK has to use position which is its only downfall imo
3. DRG- only slightly behind the top 2, since the "ACC fix" patch I've seen DRG put out some killer numbers, has to deal with position just like MNK
4. BRD- "LightShot" nerf hurt them, still decent DPS just not Top3 anymore
5. WAR- was gonna put PLD here but my friend reminded me that WAR has Berserk or Rampage which would increase DPS, still think they are low DPS now
6. PLD- can put out decent numbers if stated/geared STR/MND but long CD on Spirits Within is holding it back imo
7. WHM- if this was CNJ it might be higher, only 4 spells and long CD's on the 2 combos hold it back, dmg from spells is still nice on certain mobs

I see the DRG in front of the monk now... i outdamaged a monk in moogle fight easily before the patch.

Before the patch the drg had one dragonic abillity which could push his ATT power for 3 times.. now you only have to press it once for that. (that means around +100 more attackpower)

my DRG gets easily in the range of 800 attackpower in his attributes... which a monk can't. A drg who knows how to use his skills to push his attack power and has good equipment he easily can outdamage monk.

i see many drgs who dont use that skill, so its no wonder that they cant get into that high attack power stats. before the patch it have been more that didnt used that skill (because they have to use it 3 times)

just my opinion. in moogle fight i did around 450-850 dmg in average with weapon skills.
plus you almost never run out of TP because of your TP regen abillity so you can non-stop spam your WS + jumps which dont cost any tp but generate new TP


seriously i dont know why monk or even blm (who cant spam his spells and run fast out of MP) is so much prefered instead of DRG. maybe its because of old days in FFXI or some kind of thing.. or they dont know how to use the whole potential of DRG.

in comparison to BLM the drg auto attacks between his WS (which do around 200 dmg in mog fight) while a blm is casting his spells... then a drg doesnt run out of tp, he spams WS... the only thing is, drg is a glass canon if he uses his one dragonic skill to push its attack power... it lowers his defense and is really vulnerable in melee range. a blm is mostly out of range and in a safe spot, which a drg is not.

[Chardrizard]

Its just an example that theres no clear cut list but I'd tend to agree MNK, BLM, and DRG will all hover the top 3 spots with BRD and WAR about the same in the 4th and 5th spots. Oh besides for Chimera, WHM can out dps both BRD and WAR on that fight <.>;;

Think of it this way, if there was 1 "end all" DPS it would be the only class I'd play probably, yet I play MNK, BLM, DRG, BRD, and occasionally WAR as they are all better in their own fights. I think its "decently" balanced right now.

Also Front Line Archer melts DRG/BLM/MNK in all Hamlets... so pro.

Very much agree here, one shines at one place, one at another.

[Otaku]

Also Front Line Archer melts DRG/BLM/MNK in all Hamlets... so pro.

So true ><

[AmyNeudaiz]

WAR beats BRD on Chimera but both are so bad its lolfest.

There's several factors to take into consideration when determining your list.

1. Will MNK go OOM (and will BLM go OOM)
2. Does it have Elemental Weakness MNK can exploit
3. Does it have high evasion / Magic evasion (Princess, Garuda to some extent)
4. Is movement required, and how much.
5. Do you have "special jobs" that distract you from DPSing the Boss (Chimera; Princess; Garuda to some extent)

There's too many factors to have a clear cut list; its almost easier to just do each boss individually.


For example:

I've done close to 130-150 DPS as DRG on Princess post patch where most of our WAR's sit closer to 65-75 DPS. Princess has higher evasion than say, Miser's Mistress, so you can abuse that with free WS's on DRG to compact its rotation really tight if you catch them in the right spots. This also causes problems for BLM's trying to straight DPS that fight because they get resisted a lot and aren't geared for the additional Magic Evasion. Most MNK are not geared for the accuracy required for princess either and lose a large chunk of DPS due to either Acc, or loss of stats equipping more Acc.

I didn't save the parse from that attempt but our kills are always right around the 2 minute mark with my DRG dealing 15700 damage, and the #2 DPS (WAR) dealing 7700. During this kill the 2nd Guard which usually indicates the fight is somewhere around 1.5-2m popped when the Marshal had 10% HP remaining; so it was a very fast kill. It was post-patch when I was messing around with gear combinations to find the correct amount of accuracy and STR/PIE and surprised myself with the results of that one.

So for Princess if I assume everyone playing their class flawlessly I would rank the classes DRG-MNK=BLM-BRD=WAR-WHM-PLD

Its just an example that theres no clear cut list but I'd tend to agree MNK, BLM, and DRG will all hover the top 3 spots with BRD and WAR about the same in the 4th and 5th spots. Oh besides for Chimera, WHM can out dps both BRD and WAR on that fight <.>;;

Think of it this way, if there was 1 "end all" DPS it would be the only class I'd play probably, yet I play MNK, BLM, DRG, BRD, and occasionally WAR as they are all better in their own fights. I think its "decently" balanced right now.

Also Front Line Archer melts DRG/BLM/MNK in all Hamlets... so pro.

This.
Best post on this thread so far.