DPS Rank

[Murugan]

Ok if MNK is really at such a disadvantage (which i don't think they do because it takes 2sec to run up to her after jumping), it means MNK must be terribly strong at Garuda because my MNK is constantly at 30k while the BLMs at 24-26k.

and what does fire have to do with misser? so to compare real DPS, MNK must not use fist of fire? i guess DRG shouldnt use Power Surge as well! I totally missed what you are trying to say here. (and even with fire weakness, DRG still keep up to 130-140 DPS on misser, they parsed about the same)

Yes MNK does more damage than BLM which I said.

Second of all LOL you are parsing the entire fight or what (which would be stupid, phase 2/3 are not a straight burn due to the interupts). You are posting total damage numbers as if they mean something, you do realize that those #'s are entirely dependent on the rest of the group's contributions.

130-140 DPS you are taking about a single spot Miser, which is <2 minutes long. That is not long enough to extrapolate who does "better damage in the game" when both jobs have abilities with 80 sec+ cooldowns. But even still monk does higher dmg due to fire as well as how their timers line up nearly perfectly for that fight.

[Otaku]

Nothing is going to give you the perfect DPS gauge unless we had some sort of "training dummy" to see numbers unaffected by anything else.
Basically what I'm seeing is that
MNK/DRG/BLM are tier 1
BRD/WAR are tier 2
PLD/WHM are tier 3

If they do change how throwing weapon TP gain works do you think it will affect BRD or WAR/PLD more?

[Murugan]

Nothing is going to give you the perfect DPS gauge unless we had some sort of "training dummy" to see numbers unaffected by anything else.
Basically what I'm seeing is that
MNK/DRG/BLM are tier 1
BRD/WAR are tier 2
PLD/WHM are tier 3

If they do change how throwing weapon TP gain works do you think it will affect BRD or WAR/PLD more?

There are plenty of fights in MMO's that are perfect DPS gauges. I can think of 4-5 from Vanguard off of the top of my head. The point is in this game (with still only a handful of encounters) it varies on the encounter as there is no perfect DPS gauge, so saying "Garuda can be used to compare X and X class, or Miser can" is wrong due to how those fights work giving benefits to specific jobs over others.

[Otaku]

There are plenty of fights in MMO's that are perfect DPS gauges. I can think of 4-5 from Vanguard off of the top of my head. The point is in this game (with still only a handful of encounters) it varies on the encounter as there is no perfect DPS gauge, so saying "Garuda can be used to compare X and X class, or Miser can" is wrong due to how those fights work giving benefits to specific jobs over others.

I agree, it would be nice if we had a fight that had no overriding resistances/weakness and lasted more then 5mins
I think Coincounter would be a good judge if you didn't have to disengage for swings

[Murugan]

I'm sure we will have a fight like that eventually, burn fights are a staple in MMO endgames. It may not be an "end boss", but surely there will be encounters where it is just a test of people's dmg rotations.

Which will be boring, but will put this discussion to rest at least.

[Chardrizard]

Oh so i see we are talking about different things lol. I guess fusional have the most accurate statement then, "depends on encounter"

[viion]

All based on encounter i think, for example Spriggans, a WHM or BLM will out DPS any Melee just due to the nature of the mob XD.

[Leo_Hart]

open world NM totally 4get?

[Otaku]

open world NM totally 4get?

Might work....
Great Buff has crushing aoe
Dodore/Goblin has adds
Urlaes has petrify
Forget about what Mosshorn does
Malboro in BS might be good also

[Madrox]

Might work....
Great Buff has crushing aoe
Dodore/Goblin has adds
Urlaes has petrify
Forget about what Mosshorn does
Malboro in BS might be good also

ive still never seen the malboror...fml