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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Insane DPS is not your duty as BRD and it never will be.
    I never said it is. I said their DPS is not important/useful enough, which means the nerf is unnecessary.

    I'm NOT saying the bard SHOULD be doing DPS, they DON'T which is why the nerf is a tad unneccessary. I think I phrased it properly this time. Please ask me again if I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colino View Post
    I never said it is. I said their DPS is not important/useful enough, which means the nerf is unnecessary.

    I'm NOT saying the bard SHOULD be doing DPS, they DON'T which is why the nerf is a tad unneccessary. I think I phrased it properly this time. Please ask me again if I didn't.
    I don't see the problem then. They got a small nerf in an area in which they are not meant to be strong in the first place which doesn't reduce their usefulness at all. ARC is DD, BRD is a support role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    I don't see the problem then. They got a small nerf in an area in which they are not meant to be strong in the first place which doesn't reduce their usefulness at all. ARC is DD, BRD is a support role.
    The problem is why bother nerfing it at all? They already shoehorned ARC's into being a support role when people levelled it to be a DD. And now they are taking away more of its DD'ing capabilities. If everybody just shrugs their shoulders and says nothing then it's probably more likely to happen again in future.

    And yes it will come across as whiny and butthurt from a lot of ARC/BRD's. However, I'm willing to wager that if another job had its fundamental role completely changed and then had its original role stripped away from it, that class would QQ just the same. Obviously that did not all happen last night, it was just a continuation.

    And like you said BRD is support, ARC is a DD. Did ARC as a DD need a nerf because it was overpowered? No, it did not. It was bottom/lower tier before yesterdays update and now it is even worse off as it got nerfed whilst other DD jobs got buffs. If they had made it only applicable to BRD or given some ARC exclusive ability to make up for it then fair enough but they didn't. It was a flat out nerf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaith View Post
    The problem is why bother nerfing it at all? They already shoehorned ARC's into being a support role when people levelled it to be a DD. And now they are taking away more of its DD'ing capabilities. If everybody just shrugs their shoulders and says nothing then it's probably more likely to happen again in future.

    And yes it will come across as whiny and butthurt from a lot of ARC/BRD's. However, I'm willing to wager that if another job had its fundamental role completely changed and then had its original role stripped away from it, that class would QQ just the same. Obviously that did not all happen last night, it was just a continuation.

    And like you said BRD is support, ARC is a DD. Did ARC as a DD need a nerf because it was overpowered? No, it did not. It was bottom/lower tier before yesterdays update and now it is even worse off as it got nerfed whilst other DD jobs got buffs. If they had made it only applicable to BRD or given some ARC exclusive ability to make up for it then fair enough but they didn't. It was a flat out nerf.
    Every class/job got some sort of adjustment. That's what happens when things get balanced properly. Cry me a river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Every class/job got some sort of adjustment. That's what happens when things get balanced properly. Cry me a river.
    None of them had their fundamental role changed as much as ARC did. Yes ARC was overpowered in the past but it certainly isn't now and didn't need a nerf yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaith View Post
    None of them had their fundamental role changed as much as ARC did. Yes ARC was overpowered in the past but it certainly isn't now and didn't need a nerf yesterday.
    LOL, whining about an ARC nerf. Unless you're soloing, why would you play ARC when you can play BLM or BRD instead? In the case that you are soloing, again, why arc? There are much better choices to solo. Now I feel you're whining just to whine about something. ARCs role went from ranged DD to slightly lower DPS ranged DD. Is that a fundamental change? I think not.

    Lets be honest, the only reason to level ARC is to unlock BRD in terms of end game. If I'm forming a group, and you said you wanted to play ARC when we need ranged DD, I'd boot you for somebody who would play BLM. If we needed a BRD and you went ARC, I'd boot you for someone who'd play BRD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    LOL, whining about an ARC nerf. Unless you're soloing, why would you play ARC when you can play BLM or BRD instead? In the case that you are soloing, again, why arc? There are much better choices to solo. Now I feel you're whining just to whine about something. ARCs role went from ranged DD to slightly lower DPS ranged DD. Is that a fundamental change? I think not.

    Lets be honest, the only reason to level ARC is to unlock BRD in terms of end game. If I'm forming a group, and you said you wanted to play ARC when we need ranged DD, I'd boot you for somebody who would play BLM. If we needed a BRD and you went ARC, I'd boot you for someone who'd play BRD.

    So essentially you admit there is a problem with ARC as there is no reason to play it or take one along. You either have to play a different ranged DD or switch to a supporting ranged DD. So yes the fundamentals have changed because you don't play ARC. It went from being a top tier DD to being forced into a support DD and if you're not willing to do that then you don't get to play, simple as.

    And of course I go BRD or THM/BLM as needed. I don't go ARC for the sake of going ARC.

    I'd argue that it was an unnecessary nerf whether I had the job levelled or not. If they had nerfed PLD then I would say the exact same thing.
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