Please no Perpetual Cost for Summoners!

[Irishwars]

Is it 2014 yet? I am thinking that's the year when/if smn gets introduced

[Colino]

I agree. Clearly we need to shift focus as to why we don't have Musketeer in the game.

Moar Musketeer threads! I'm being dead serious here!

Hey, at least Musketeer is going to be in the game with 100% certainty.

[KoujiGeki]

This wasn't due to perp cost. Community shoehorning ≠ Disliking not having avatars out eternally. Look back to every FF game with summoning, there was always some kind of cost for using them, either large MP costs, dealing with a random effect or removing your entire party out of battle while it's there, there's always a cost.

ok. 1st off when leveling in a pt if a smn out of mp their dmg/healing/buffing out put is COMPLETELY gone. They cant do anything else. Unlike Blm which would have the same problem unless the Tank really stunk and need to back up heal the BLM is ONLY casting Black Magic. Unlike the Blm Smn is heal and or doing summons so they lose MP fast than Blm hence why they got the Biggest mp pool. And yes i stated the cost to summon the Avatar out like evry other FF out there with summoners in it. and to use there spells. there is your cost so Summoner is not broken or limited. Balance. FAIR



They were thrown in for continuity sake. SMN enemies could use them so people would have complained if players didn't have access to them. They're used for restoring your MP.

Ya no kidding. i mentioned that they are use for elemental siphon

SMNs weren't backup WHMs in end-game pre nor post 75. A SMN with capped SMN skill and appropriate gear was a valuable asset to have.

yes they were pre 75. when lvling a majority of the time they were ONLY healing unless there was a PL.

Why? You couldn't summon them in other FF games when you had inadequate MP/Points/level/Whathaveyou, that would be broken. If SMNs don't need MP to keep avatars out, I demand being able to WS without TP or even being engaged in a fight, I also demand to gain 3k TP every time I strike an opponent and remove recast on WS everytime I land a combo.

Obviously you never played FF10. and no shit you wouldn't be able to summon them if you didnt have the MP. i didnt even say that at all, im saying if you ran out of mp the Avatar can ONLY auto attack. Cause if the Pet goes away like in11 your damage is gone. Why bother having sumoner when you could just throw in a blm or another DD that isnt limited no dmg when they run outta mp.

I swear its like you only read bits and pieces of what i said.

[KoujiGeki]

In that case....

1. Let's make it so magic doesn't use up MP, that way we can always spam cure without worry.

2. Let's make it so using WS doesn't cost TP.After all, we should be able to constantly spam Chaos Thrust or Rings of Talon. That would make things fair and easy.

3. Oh! On top of that, let's not have anymore anima cost either. wE should be able to get around whenever we want!

Bonus point! LEt's get rid of recast while we're at it.

I mean how dare they try to restrict what we can do.

I didnt say make it free i said to use its magic spells to cost mp and to summon it cost mp.

[LlenCoram]

Hey, at least Musketeer is going to be in the game with 100% certainty.

This is true, and if I knew the date then I can assure you I'd have at least 10 countdown clocks going.

[KoujiGeki]

well the Player polls did show us what job they had in mind adding to the game both Musketeer and summoner were on there.

[Andrien]

lets wait until the devs post a SMN job outline/direction first.

[Suirieko]

I didnt say make it free i said to use its magic spells to cost mp and to summon it cost mp.

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Preeeeetty sure summoning it does cost MP (Hence perpetual cost). There are gears out there in FFXI where it reduces the perpetual cost to the point where you can keep some avatar up in definitely... if you're lucky enough to obtain them.

Really. I played SMN quite a bit and I didn't find the perpetual cost to be an issue at all.

[Antanias]

Summoners aren't even in the game yet, or might never be.

Oh they will be in the game, just not sure how it's gonna play just yet.

[KoujiGeki]

oh ya and by the way i didnt mention how long the recast for summon might be. and if the cost to summon them is high. look at how many aoe spamming mobs there are in the game which is why you see alot of the fight catering to ranged only job like ifrit or chimera. A summon will be killed very fast. i mean look at loldrg from 11 everytime the pet died from aoe that one of the reason why most people are like NO Wyvern pets. If the Cost of pets is big and you have to keep resummoning the Avatar youll run out of mp quick. now add a pep cost to that .or if SE gives Summons a long recast. do you see my point?