So.... why the Races from FFXI?

[Elexia]

................. Oh dear.

First off we all know the races are carbon copies of what we had in XI. Denial isn't why people are correcting you, they are doing so because they've made a divide between XI's lore and XIV's and expect you to do so as well because that is what is intended.

The original dev team obviously had letting go issues..

You say no one has denial issues yet you can say this bull? The races are the same for the people WHO WERE MOVING OVER FROM FFXI AND WANTED TO RECREATE THEIR XI CHARACTER. It's as simple as this, this is the SECOND FINAL FANTASY MMO just like every damn generic MMO out there has an Orc, Troll/Midget, Elf and Human race of some kind...no different. They look similar, but they have completely different backstories, but if you play both games, you can still call them galka/hume/mithra etc because that's the name most people used for years.

Yet people would be perfectly ok with them using Ivalice races...XIV players can be such hypocrites about their hate.

MEH. All I want is my viera and lamia races.

Leave this to the hentai game where she belongs :|

[Dhalmel]

You say no one has denial issues yet you can say this bull? The races are the same for the people WHO WERE MOVING OVER FROM FFXI AND WANTED TO RECREATE THEIR XI CHARACTER. It's as simple as this, this is the SECOND FINAL FANTASY MMO just like every damn generic MMO out there has an Orc, Troll/Midget, Elf and Human race of some kind...no different. They look similar, but they have completely different backstories, but if you play both games, you can still call them galka/hume/mithra etc because that's the name most people used for years.

Yet people would be perfectly ok with them using Ivalice races...XIV players can be such hypocrites about their hate.



Leave this to the hentai game where she belongs :|

fffffffffffine but lamias looked nice in XI

[ThePatriarch]

They should have made the races:

Dhalmel, Goblin, and Raptor.

[Elexia]

fffffffffffine but lamias looked nice in XI

I agree. If that design was in any other kind of game sure, but my mind has been tainted.

[Garlen]

Races is not something that can be changed in a patch, the races are what they are, what is even the point in whining about it anymore, seriously. As an above poster stated, get over it.

[Arcell]

Oh look, it's another "Zaaku not being able to let go of FFXI" thread. Woooooo. Roegadyn have both genders, Galka do not. Galka have tails, Roegadyn do not. Similar, not the same. That's like saying an apple and a red plum are the same thing because they're both red. From a distance you might not be able to tell much of a difference but up close you can really see it. All of the details are different, though they're both red fruit. Similar, not the same.

No one's denying that they are similar but the origin stories, background and lore surrounding them are quite different. I understand that they wanted to have something familiar for the FFXI vets and to allow people to re-create their characters but at some point they decided on different names, lore and features. They could have easily copied the exact same race names, lore and features over but they didn't. That was a conscious decision to make them similar but different. That proves that the intent was to be familiar but not exactly the same.

[Zaaku]

Some points you have there Arcell but riddle me this Bat Man. For both the Roegadyn and Miqo'te races why were the additional genders not made available at launch? They had spent just as much time in the Dev pot stew during production. If they had originally planned to have this "Brand New and Completely Original Races that are totally not Mithra and Galka!" mindset how come theys were with the keeping up the mono-genderism?

Seems kind of a peculiar concept. I mean Lore Wise, which as we know is fickle as the cross breeze. (Remember when all the mobs in the game doubled their size because of God Juice Radiation?) To have two whole Races follow in step with their FFXI progenitors. It seems only after the monumental failure at launch did SE have to go back to the drawing board and think of every tiny little thing they could implement to appease the fans and retain customers. It shows a pattern. They wanted FFXI fans, they made the game with them in mind, and only after desperate game ending woes were put on top of their heads did the Dev team suddenly decide to go back on this trend.

The honest purpose of using FFXI's Races was to make FFXI fans come play their game. Considering they butchered one of the Races to the point it shares only a passing resemblance to its origins, we got a problem. For those of us who took the Rock-Humpers as our avatar's it is a slap in the face that we get screwed over because SE thought Galka/Roegadyn would appeal to a wider audience if they looked more Hyur. How would you feel if you had played as a Taru Taru for years and bonded with your creation, then in FFXIV all the other Races got to hop over but they made the LalaFell 4' 10" thick bodied proportionate Hyur short people. They only thing in common was the /panic Dance then someone told you, "WORKING AS INTENDED!"?

[DarthTaru]

I like that they continued with similar races. In fact, I honestly wish they just made FFXIV a true sequel and brought us back to Vana'diel, even if a Vana'diel that exists a thousand years later than the one we experienced in FFXI.

I also believe that the fact that SE used the `same` races as FFXI is the only reason this game is still alive. The similarities tricked us into having hope long before Yoshi announced the 2.0 redesign. Had SE used Humes, Fairies, Lizard men and Fish-people, every last one of us would have long moved on after the disastrous launch.

MY MAIN GRIPE WITH THE RACES NOW
Is that they have no identity. In FFXI I knew who the Tarutaru were. They were kind, friendly, intelligent, sometimes humble, sometimes arrogant. Sometimes courageous, sometimes cowardly. They had fears, worries, dreams, goals, delights, allies, enemies, a culture, a past, a civilization, a way of life.

There was lore, history, personality, etc. I had an attachment to them and their civilization. The story telling of FFXI gave players reason to be nationalistic, no matter what race they chose. There was cause to be interested in your nations past as well as reveal its future through continuing with its story. Nobody in FFXI asked fellow players to hastily skip cut scenes so that they could get on and over with the fight at hand. It was commonly understood that everyone would want to see the next chapter in Vana'diel, of their home, of their story, and that was rarely infringed upon.

In FFXIV, nobody cares.

In other words, who are we?

I like that SE used the same races as FFXI but I despise the fact that they didn't give any of them any personality.
They are as bland and as empty as the copy pasted zones we chocobo through.

[Skies]

I like that they continued with similar races. In fact, I honestly wish they just made FFXIV a true sequel and brought us back to Vana'diel, even if a Vana'diel that exists a thousand years later than the one we experienced in FFXI.

I also believe that the fact that SE used the `same` races as FFXI is the only reason this game is still alive. The similarities tricked us into having hope long before Yoshi announced the 2.0 redesign. Had SE used Humes, Fairies, Lizard men and Fish-people, every last one of us would have long moved on after the disastrous launch.

MY MAIN GRIPE WITH THE RACES NOW
Is that they have no identity. In FFXI I knew who the Tarutaru were. They were kind, friendly, intelligent, sometimes humble, sometimes arrogant. Sometimes courageous, sometimes cowardly. They had fears, worries, dreams, goals, delights, allies, enemies, a culture, a past, a civilization, a way of life.

There was lore, history, personality, etc. I had an attachment to them and their civilization. The story telling of FFXI gave players reason to be nationalistic, no matter what race they chose. There was cause to be interested in your nations past as well as reveal its future through continuing with its story. Nobody in FFXI asked fellow players to hastily skip cut scenes so that they could get on and over with the fight at hand. It was commonly understood that everyone would want to see the next chapter in Vana'diel, of their home, of their story, and that was rarely infringed upon.

In FFXIV, nobody cares.

In other words, who are the Lalafell?

I like that SE used the same races as FFXI but I despise the fact that they didn't give any of them any personality.
They are as bland and as empty as the copy pasted zones we chocobo through.

Truth to be told, you can't tell one Lallafel from the other, but you can tell a Gridanian from a Lominsan. And that is perfectly the point, actually, in XIV. XIV is not based around racial identity but national identity, you don't gain a personality based on what race you are, but what nation you are from. Every race is literally the same to society and that shows, and sincerely it's a thing I personally like.

Even so there are still a few details visible, Miqo'te are more often than not either cute or lascive, Roegadyn are definitely in the badass range and often angry. I do not pay sufficient attention to the tiny details of other races so I cannot tell, but even so there are tiny diffeirences but the grand focus is still your mother nation.

[Volsung]

SE has said themselves, they used the aesthetics of the old races to offer familiarity. Thats as far as it goes.