Friends Don't Let Friends PL

[Matsume]

Was so excited this week for my two friends to log back on for the appreciation week.

Log on and find out they have been PL with there old R50 friends and are past my level now and don't seem to care ;_;

This upset me and my other friend a lot who were looking forward to playing together

How should i tell them with out starting an argument? How would you guys feel/deal this?

This is exactly how i feel about Garuda BLM burn exploit.

You just tell them how you feel. Point Blank.

Just ask them to level you up, and help you experience some of the actual content that isn't a mindless grind.

Wait...there is content that isn't a mindless grind?

You must be referring to crafting... oh wait.

You must be referring to Primals... oh wait.

Surely you meant Darklight Dungeons... OH WAIT.

MAYBE U MEANT ACHIEVEMENTS? O WAIT.

Agreed Grinding is not a fun way to play this game....doing end content with your friends is much better...also PL does not make them bad players all you need to do is read the tool tips and you get how to play that class...

Yeah, leveling up is totally not fun, that's why every MMO makes you do it. I think the next gen MMOs will just let you start off with all classes capped out so you can get straight to grinding the good stuff....but then you're still griding. Oh you said "end game content" you must mean Garuda? TOO BAD MY FRIENDS BLM BURND THRU THAT ALREADY. /facepalm you all seem clueless as to the unintended consequences of these exploits. /thread.

Edit: anyone who says "grinding is not fun, that's why ppl PL" obviously didn't play FFXI in it's golden age.

[Matsume]

double post.

[NoctisUmbra]

It's no one else's business how another player chooses to gain their levels. If your friends preferred to get PLed rather than go at your pace, there's a discrepancy between what they wanted, and what you expected of them, since you feel so disappointed. You can't just blame PLing because your friend preferred it to going at your pace.

PLing in no way negatively effects anybody who doesn't care for it. Don't even try that tired argument of it leading to players on 50s that have no idea how to play their jobs effectively. Plenty of people in game that have 50s legitimately who have no flipping clue how to play their jobs, let alone possess the hand-eye coordination, timing, and overall common sense to be able to play effectively. In fact most people end up needing to be told how to play their jobs by people who have figured it out for them, which in no way has a prerequisite of having leveled your job legitimately.

[Matsume]

It's no one else's business how another player chooses to gain their levels. If your friends preferred to get PLed rather than go at your pace, there's a discrepancy between what they wanted, and what you expected of them, since you feel so disappointed. You can't just blame PLing because your friend preferred it to going at your pace.

PLing in no way negatively effects anybody who doesn't care for it. Don't even try that tired argument of it leading to players on 50s that have no idea how to play their jobs effectively. Plenty of people in game that have 50s legitimately who have no flipping clue how to play their jobs, let alone possess the hand-eye coordination, timing, and overall common sense to be able to play effectively. In fact most people end up needing to be told how to play their jobs by people who have figured it out for them, which in no way has a prerequisite of having leveled your job legitimately.

Look noctis, he isn't starting an argument. Please don't bust out the moral lesson of PLing in this thread, nobody wants to hear it -the dead horse has been beaten enough. He is simply bummed that he can't level up his main class with his friends like he intended to because they PLd straight to 50.

Why does everyone who support PLing seem to think of leveling as a "boring and useless grind"? Isn't it obvious that the OP would have *enjoyed* grinding out those levels with his friends rather than getting PLed to 50 then gridning on dungeons or primals? Why does this seem so foreign to this community...

[Zaaku]

It's no one else's business how another player chooses to gain their levels. If your friends preferred to get PLed rather than go at your pace, there's a discrepancy between what they wanted, and what you expected of them, since you feel so disappointed. You can't just blame PLing because your friend preferred it to going at your pace.

PLing in no way negatively effects anybody who doesn't care for it. Don't even try that tired argument of it leading to players on 50s that have no idea how to play their jobs effectively. Plenty of people in game that have 50s legitimately who have no flipping clue how to play their jobs, let alone possess the hand-eye coordination, timing, and overall common sense to be able to play effectively. In fact most people end up needing to be told how to play their jobs by people who have figured it out for them, which in no way has a prerequisite of having leveled your job legitimately.

Alright I'm breaking with my current plan of not openly attacking PLing but THAT sir is BULLSHIT.

OP himself was DIRECTLY affected by PLing! Because there is an exploit he missed out on many leveling parties and time spent with his friend enjoying the mid-game. I can also attest to how PLing hurts the overall community. When I start EXP parties and try to find people to fill the overbloated party setups I find half of my potential party members are already out there getting PL'd. I have had this happen MULTIPLE times! We move out to Nop Wells to scatter some ants and naturally we lose players. At one point my PT was 4/8 and on the verge of collapse due to lack of reps, even asking every soul in range in /tell, flagged or not. During my search I stumbled across a PL PT at the South Camp.

Oh look at that! They are all within our range and 4/8 themselves!

{Excuse me...} 4/8 {Let's Team Up?}
{No thanks!} getting pl
Yeah but our pt could merge with yours and we'd be high enough to go to Copperbell
no thanks man this is easier

I have yet to convince anyone from an active PL PT into a real PT because why would anyone want to actually WORK for the things they desire? I'm sorry but PLing screws us all over and the whole, "Well don't PL if you don't want to but leave it in game!" is utterly and completely ass stupid. It RUINS the game and will ensure FFXIV shrivels up and dies. Human beings are lazy. Let's face it. We've spent the last 50 million years learning how to get grubs out of logs with small sticks just so we didn't have to climb a tree for some fruit. The moment a new piece of content comes out within days there is a 'right' way to do it. It is the easiest, fastest, or most efficient in some capacity and that is generally what people stick to. You might find the odd individual willing to do a task in a more difficult manner but for 99% of the population the path of least resistance is chosen most often.

Leaving PLing in this game will straight murder any hope we have for low-to-mid game leveling and basically null the leveling process entirely. Shit we may as well start capped. When you log on simply pick a class like in TF2! That way everyone can get to their precious end game ASAP! To GRIND for weapons which have no purpose but to make it easier to grind MORE weapons!


It is an exploit. It is wrong. It is ruining the game. This is a fact. The only people I see actively defending PLing are those who do it themselves and don't want to get called out on cheating. Or are just that lazy. There is no excuse. If you find the 8 day average 'grind' for a capped job too tedious then why on God great spinning ball would you play an MMO?

[Dragon]

Yeah, OP... just get PL'd so you can get past the grind so you can grind more while you grind for grinds as the only fun grinds are what a select group of people tell you are.

[aikawananase]

friends don't let friends QQ on lodestone about friends pl'ing other friends when friends get mad at other friends about it.

[Lacavi]

I just came back to FFXIV with a friend, so maybe my opinion isn't worth listening to, but..

We both refuse to power level, there's absolutely no point in a MMO to skip half the content in the game, even if it is a grind. I wouldn't have done it in WoW, I wouldn't have done it in FFXI. I'm half afraid to even join a linkshell due to the power leveling. So far, we've gotten Dragoon unlocked together, and it was a blast. We did the Maws duo, and it was a fun and memorable. Did we clear it? No, but it was fun learning through on our own and not having our hand held.

If you're going to skip half the exploration and content, why are you even playing this game?

[Amherst]

What kills me about power leveling is the fact that it renders making/selling almost any gear before endgame borderline pointless. Way to destroy a huge chunk of the economy just to appeal to laziness.

Then there's the people that power level all their combat classes to 50 then brag about how awesome they apparently are. Not that taking the mechanics for it out would change their attitudes, if they're set on being snobs I'm sure they'd find some other method. Still annoying though.

[Noir]

What kills me about power leveling is the fact that it renders making/selling almost any gear before endgame borderline pointless. Way to destroy a huge chunk of the economy just to appeal to laziness.

Then there's the people that power level all their combat classes to 50 then brag about how awesome they apparently are. Not that taking the mechanics for it out would change their attitudes, if they're set on being snobs I'm sure they'd find some other method. Still annoying though.

Have you heard of materia? It's a thing you can get with any gear. You don't need to sell your gear. Some people are clueless