Integrity matters

[VeyaAkemi]

I will say that linking the ffxiv search on Twitter may not have its desired effect because it seem to be heavily influenced by your personal algo, and for me it just shows a lot of Ryne x Gaia fanart...

https://i.imgur.com/JDBWTm7.png


Don't get me wrong, most of it is very cute, and I will definitely be sharing these in the Discord servers I hang out in later, but doesn't seem particularly relevant to the matter at hand... Oh also at least one Cirina x Sadu came up, that's also very good.

[Kaurhz]

Which it honestly should be.
I can't be bothered to check what the plugin does but if it automates the tedium of crafting 500 strength potions then I can absolutely see why it exists.
Bulk HQ crafting in this game is just a massive waste of everyones' time.

It requires no thought or skill, just good gear and like two macros, but it still forces you to sit at your PC and press those macros every 30 or so seconds, for multiple hours.
Which can probably already be automated by a gaming keyboard with macro functions.

That's fair, regardless of the solution, I would rather they address it at the source than deviating to a position where we're entertaining automation/botting. Whether that is completely demolishing crafting even further, or reworking consumables into their own thing (I'd much rather they do the latter). If they were to entertain the idea of macro-chaining natively, then they may as well just fully commit and turn DoH/L content into Island Sanctuary, to be honest with you. (Well they may as well do that as is anyway).

Every tool exists for a reason, I would say that doesn't necessarily mean the tool should exist (Not saying that you are saying this), but at the end of the day 90% of the content that exists within this game does not require any thought or skill for that matter.

[Absurdity]

i do not disagree that botting isnt a problem but maybe you should try doing an extreme at least before incriminating the entire player base of cheating on content youve never done

Probably some dude's alt and therefore not a proper reflection of the content they've done.
Your point is however still valid, if you've ever done an extreme in PF you would know a vast majority of people aren't cheating, the kills aren't nearly clean enough for that to be the case.

[Arthur-Holt]

Probably some dude's alt and therefore not a proper reflection of the content they've done.
Your point is however still valid, if you've ever done an extreme in PF you would know a vast majority of people aren't cheating, the kills aren't nearly clean enough for that to be the case.

The other part of the two is mods aren't guaranteed to turn unskilled players into skilled players which could add to the confusion

[SkankyRoe]

The reason they're not playing Second Life itself is because this game is slightly less ancient, probably cheaper and doesn't require them to be creative enough to make their own content.

From what I understand SL is a glorified chatroom like IMVU, while FFXIV has actual game content to engage with.

[KageTokage]

It's kind of funny that they're sitting there trying to praise WoW and Blizzard as if they haven't been forever tainted by their own sexual misconduct and harassment issues. Warlords made me take a break from WoW, the stolen breast milk and "Cosby Room" (among other accusations) made me quit WoW for life.

They're trying to throw stones when the house has already shattered.
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The difference it's XIV's community that's broadly tainted, not parts of the dev team.

You generally have to actively go out of your way to find NSFW content and scandals for other MMOs but it's just randomly turned up in my feed multiple times in XIV's case.

[VanillaWafer]

It's kind of funny that they're sitting there trying to praise WoW and Blizzard as if they haven't been forever tainted by their own sexual misconduct and harassment issues. Warlords made me take a break from WoW, the stolen breast milk and "Cosby Room" (among other accusations) made me quit WoW for life.

They're trying to throw stones when the house has already shattered.

That Blizzard situation is a good example of why I think evidence matters. There were government investigations, lawsuits, and court-approved settlements that established a very specific set of allegations and actions.

If you personally stopped playing WoW because of Blizzard's misconduct, I get that as a personal boundary. But I'd apply the same standard to FFXIV: present the documented facts, (Not someone's Youtube video, a post on X, or a Google doc.) and let individual players decide what those facts mean for them. I don't think either situation requires everyone to reach the same conclusion.

If there's comparable evidence regarding the FFXIV allegations, I'm willing to look at it. But I'd rather distinguish documented findings from broader claims about the entire FFXIV community.

A serious criminal case should be taken seriously and reported appropriately, but that doesn't automatically establish that FFXIV or its entire community enables or encourages that behavior.

I'd also be careful about using either personal experience or social-media feeds as a measure of prevalence. Neither encountering nothing nor seeing a lot of something online necessarily tells us how widespread it actually is.

[Ankhira]

Nobody looks at an Ultimate title or Savage weapon and think “wow, they’re good”,

Nobody does this regardless of plugin use or not. Most people don't look twice at someone having a certain glam or title, at most they'll inspect to see what item it is and go on about their day. Having a rare title or glam is not the prestige some people wish it is.

[BigCheez]

It’s fricking hilarious how accusing anyone you disagree with of being a bigot or a slur enjoyer has basically become a FF14 community staple. Like lol. Just lol.

Yeah, I think "people who don't like botters are secretly just mad because they can't say slurs" might be the most unhinged opinion I've ever read but at this point, I'm not even surprised.

[VeyaAkemi]

Yeah, I think "people who don't like botters are secretly just mad because they can't say slurs" might be the most unhinged opinion I've ever read but at this point, I'm not even surprised.

Alright, so I have a big suggestion, how about we just stop lying? because that was not what was said here, this was said in response to a specific point listed in the OP of the thread, which I will quote to be very precise:

I want to be able to interact with others without fear of punishment.

To which it was pointed out you already can, you just need to watch your language, don't insult anyone, and no "I meant it as a joke" isn't an excuse, and avoid swearing if you can, this is FFXIV, not Hazbin Hotel, that's all you need to do, and you can interact with anyone and everyone with zero fear.